Paul Robinson

[paul_1979yid]

i do wish he'd at least try and dive to save the shots! sort of looks like he cant be bothered when he does that.

I watch the replay of the first goal yesterday and still shout 'dive' as the ball creeps past him in slow mo!!

 

[Shanks]

M<aybe he could have dived for the first one, but it was a shoddy touch by the person who put it away, who incidently looked to be offside anyway...

Although the defense should have cleared it way before it got to their playter a few yards out, no blame on goalkeeper, shocking defending.
As for the 2nd, defenders score all the time from set peices, we are not the only ones who it happens to.

Hell, even Woodgate scored from a set play against Chelsea the other week, in what was even more shocking defending.

Fact remains, our season is over, although players should be playing for their places next year, its difficult, and Man City are very very good this year.

 

[SpurSince57]

I watch the replay of the first goal yesterday and still shout 'dive' as the ball creeps past him in slow mo!!

You do, but then you watch it in real time and realise that the ball would have been in the back of the net before you'd had time to shout.

 

[gooch]

So you're forgetting Robinson's two vital saves in the first leg, and another good one in the second leg? How convenient. Remind me, how many penalties did Gomes save in the shoot-out? And how many did Robbo save? One each, I recall. And please, spare me the cock about how Gomes looked more like saving the ones that went in.

Knocking his own players over? That was just the half of it. His flaps at the ball were quite as bad if not worse than any of Robinson's. He just got lucky that none of our players could take advantage of them. And you could tell by the looks and words he and Salcido were exchanging that they've built up a near-telepathic understanding in the two seasons they've played together.

you need some glasses old fella as theres nothing in my post that says that so spare me your cock thank you.

gomes may have only saved one but he also got his hands to bent's and o'hara's and with a bit of luck for him they would have stayed out, now i've said it do you see?

and a gk doing his job that hes paid richly for does not constitue a vital save. either way i havent forgot it just like i havent forgot all the blunders he's made as well, maybe you have?

and whats with the neg rep for having an opinion, pricks (not you ss57)

 

[Shanks]

Don't worry about the neg rep dude, a few will neg rep if they disagree, it means didly squat at the end of the day though.

I firmly belive that Robbo is a very good goalkeeper, and I do believe we will struggle to get a better goalkeeper. I am expecting him to stay, and possible start next year.

His recent performances have been way better than before he was dropped, he no longer looks like he is unconfident and his 2 games against PSV were extremely good.

Being a goalkeeper is the most difficult position on the pitch, every other player has the luxery of making mistakes and not getting hung, drawn and quartered for it, were as a goalkeeper can make one mistake and thats the lot..

Thats why they say goalkeepers are nutters, i gue!ss

 

[paul_1979yid]

You do, but then you watch it in real time and realise that the ball would have been in the back of the net before you'd had time to shout.

true

 

[SpurSince57]

you need some glasses old fella as theres nothing in my post that says that so spare me your cock thank you.

gomes may have only saved one but he also got his hands to bent's and o'hara's and with a bit of luck for him they would have stayed out, now i've said it do you see?

and a gk doing his job that hes paid richly for does not constitue a vital save. either way i havent forgot it just like i havent forgot all the blunders he's made as well, maybe you have?

and whats with the neg rep for having an opinion, pricks (not you ss57)

No, you didn't, but it's constantly being wheeled out. So Gomes got close to a couple. Close, but no cigar, as they say.

He made three saves that kept us in the tie. I'd say that's pretty vital. And yes, it is what he's paid for, and no, I haven't forgotten the blunders. The blunders are all some people do remember, though—and what's more, they add non-existent blunders for good measure. I'm glad you're not one of those.

 

[Legend10]

I'm still at a loss about how we would still be in the UEFA cup if we had Gomes in goal.

 

[al_pacino]

I'm still at a loss about how we would still be in the UEFA cup if we had Gomes in goal.

We'd be PSV Eindhoven.

 

[Legend10]

We'd be PSV Eindhoven.

Aha, thank you for explaining.

 

[gooch]

I'm still at a loss about how we would still be in the UEFA cup if we had Gomes in goal.

because i believe him to be better than robinson.

or, if we had gomes in goal we would have had an empty net to shoot into, thats how :wink:

edit: beaten to it!

 

[SpurSince57]

I see that we're now being linked with Villareal's keeper. And Ben Foster. That must be nearly thirty by now.

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

don't blame Robbo for the goals, he could have at least reacted a bit, but he was never going to catch up to that header, was a rocket

I do feel however he will be replaced in the next transfer window, he has too many downsides to his game that outweigh his good aspects

we need a more allround keeper that has no flaws, a good shot stopper is not enough.

Having a top keeper will also give confidence to our defence which can only be a good thing, if we do buy someone I hope Robbo stays and fights for his place though, he is good enough to be our 2nd choice

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

And please, spare me the cock about how Gomes looked more like saving the ones that went in.

that is not rubbish, you have to dive the right way to save a penalty, if you go the wrong way you are never going to stop one

Robbo does go about it the wrong way, I would prefer him to keep his eye on the ball and dive the right way every time. While he will not stop every penalty, he will get weakly struck and poorly placed penalties, you can't save them going the wrong way, in fact you have 0% chance :wink:

I always shake my head at keepers diving the wrong way in penalty kicks, they are giving themselves no chance at all and when you see a misshit trickle tamely into the net or go straight down the middle, you know that it would have been saved had the keeper waited :wink:

 

[SpurSince57]

On the other hand, Robbo was catching crosses with some aplomb yesterday. I nearly choked on my beer.

Obviously we're going to get another keeper in, but all the ones that we've been linked with that I've actually seen have their drawbacks too. There is a case for saying, 'Better the devil you know.' We could wind up with another Barthez or Talbi. Or another Daines.

Whatever, Ramos and Gus have made it abundantly clear that no-one's place is nailed on and that it's up to the players to stake their claim over the remainder of the season.

 

[Shanks]

Lets be clear about penalty's - Keepers cannot lose on a penalty shoot out, because they are not expected to save penalties, as the advantage is with the striker, hence a penalty being given.

Now all keepers deal with penalties differently.

Some study their opponents penalty kicks and go with the average place.
Some make up their minds before the kick is taken, to give them the chance of getting across the goalmouth quicker, should the penalty be put in the corner.

Very few, actually wait until the penalty kick is taken.

When I moved up a step from normal saturday football to semi pro level (conference), I was one of those goalkeepers who always waited for a penalty kick to be taken before making my move.

Problem you have doing this, is that you have to remain on your toes, and its so difficult to remain on your toes without shifting weight from one to the other, so you fail immedietly, because if ball goes in different direction to the weight shifted, you are literally stood still without making an attempt.

When I moved up, I had to change my strategy for saving penalties, I had to choose before it was kicked, or make a quick decision on the run up. I went 3 years without saving a penalty.
But, after those 3 years, I started saving many more penalties, sheer luck at choosing the right place to be honest.

Although Gomez did get close to some, he didn't save them, and should PSV lost, he would not have been ripped apart from not pushing O'Hara's penalty wide, when he did get his hand to it.
Robbo's penalty save was a very good one, daving and strethcing arm back...

Although I do belive Gomez is a better goalkeeper, Robbo certainly looked the more assured of them both over the 2 games, with Gomez making many more mistakes, that Robbo would have been hamered for, should he have made them.

The guy is playing on form at the moment, and I am expecting him to make the next England squad.

 

[SpurSince57]

that is not rubbish, you have to dive the right way to save a penalty, if you go the wrong way you are never going to stop one

Robbo does go about it the wrong way, I would prefer him to keep his eye on the ball and dive the right way every time. While he will not stop every penalty, he will get weakly struck and poorly placed penalties, you can't save them going the wrong way, in fact you have 0% chance :wink:

I always shake my head at keepers diving the wrong way in penalty kicks, they are giving themselves no chance at all and when you see a misshit trickle tamely into the net or go straight down the middle, you know that it would have been saved had the keeper waited :wink:

Yes, that would figure. :grin:

It tends to be the weakly struck, poorly placed penalties that get saved, though. That, or the keeper gets lucky.

Yes, some keepers are better at penalties than others (Reina and Friedel spring to mind), but it's really a bit of an irrelevance unless your team happens to give one away every other game, in which case you really ought to be asking questions of your defenders. And how often do we get involved in shoot-outs?

And if Jenas and Chimbo hadn't tried to be too cute, or if we hadn't spurned two or three good chances, would we be having this discussion anyway?

*Edit* Thanks to Shanks for the technical bit. I never got above Sunday morning level. I saved two penalties in my life—one Judy Garland would have hit harder, the other I didn't know anything about because the ball hit me square on the forehead and knocked me cold.

 

[hughy]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Jesus Christ almighty. I hadn't realised God-like omniscience was a prerequisite for a successful keeper. Now I know.

So, what you're saying is, he should have thought: 'Ah, Daws and Chimbo are going to fuck this up. Onuoha is going to get a header in'? Right…

So you're not blaming Robinson for every goal we've conceded this season? Well, whoopyfuckingdoop and hallelujah. I'm so pleased to know that. But, nevertheless, you feel he was at fault for this one.

Yes, there's the obvious and the obvious and the obvious. You've contrived to miss all three of them.

I'm really looking forward to our new keeper. How many games will it be before the noobs start getting on his back, I wonder?

If he's as inconsistent as Robbo, not many. It's the way it should be.

 

[Damo1176]

Lucky you didn't go as we were playing in Manchester......:hello:

I meant generally so no need to be pedantic and clever!

 

[paxtonyiddo]

TommyW we clearly were watching the wrong game yesterday Robbo IMO should have saved both goals. And before u morons ask no i couldnt have saved either but i dont claim to be a keeper on £40k per week.