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Grey Fox

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I have been meaning to write this for a while now. The standard of the officials in the Prem has become appalling. The FA and those in charge of the Premiership need to do something about it. There is too much at stake, both financially and prestige for the standard of officials to be this low.

I believe some of it is due to the pressure that some managers put on them and they are genuinely concerned about the after match wrath, but there is a really strong case now for increased technology and support from the fourth officials. The fourth official has the use of a screen and it would take a few seconds when play has stopped after a tackle for example for them to review it. Both Flamini and Giroud should have been sent off today V Bournemouth.

Every weekend there are serious game changing wrong decisions being made, which costs clubs points and therefore affects them financially. There is enough money in the game to sort this out with increased technology and more intense training for the officals. I also think referees should be made to answer questions about their decisions post matches.

Some people will probably say its a much faster game than it used to be and refs have a really tough job, but I'm sorry there are ways of improving their performances and far too many of them put their egos before the benefit of the game. Clattenberg is probably the best around at the moment, but even he has made some real clangers this season. There are far too many examples of really poor decisions throughout the season to give here and I don't believe in the "it evens its self out during the season" bollocks because it doesn't and can't , because a result from a match can have a knock on affect on following games.

I would love to see the difference between the now and if all decisions were correct/corrected, I suspect the smaller clubs would be in a better position in the league.
 

FITZ

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I think the 4th official should have a monitor that runs 3-5 seconds behind normal time. Then he can still view any incident at normal pace - use judgement - and not undermine the reffing process. No need to stop the game and rely on replays.
 

Gbspurs

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Jan 27, 2011
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I think the 4th official should have a monitor that runs 3-5 seconds behind normal time. Then he can still view any incident at normal pace - use judgement - and not undermine the reffing process. No need to stop the game and rely on replays.

I find it odd that as of October Arsenal had won 100% of games reffed by Jonathan Moss yet we had only won 33% of games reffed by him.
 

dirtyh

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Jun 24, 2011
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dodgy dealings for me, pure and simple. I refuse to believe that people can be that incompetent to the extent that they're the only person out of those on the pitch, in the stand and watching at home that can see the point of the decision they just made. wait and see if the arse are ever in danger of not making the top 4 and the real doozies will come out.
 

CosmicHotspur

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Aug 14, 2006
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Technology, especially instant video playback pitch-side is needed. People say it slows the game down but it would be no worse than time-wasting protests from players. I couldn't agree more that there are some truly dreadful decisions and they are ruining the game.
 

Sweech

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Jun 27, 2013
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I actually didn't have too much to complain about for officials this year.

I know the stereotypical answer is it's a really difficult job, but that's the truth.

The only game I really had a problem with was this last one against Watford. That job was more than a little one sided.
 

tony0379

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May 17, 2004
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Remember one season we didn't get a single penalty and we had 6 goals wrongfully not given. We would of finished 3rd that season above Assnal. It's corruption at the highest level.
 

Riandor

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May 26, 2004
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There are lots of unseen fouls and poor decisions every week.

It's not just red cards or goals, it's as equally things like potential yellows that can change the outcome.

Players are allowed to carry on persistent fouling because their deeds from earlier were not carded when they should have been.

Huth vs us for example, but there are many many more. Refs for me are too lenient.

Let the game flow but come back and book a player, don't be afraid to do so just because a manager might get cross.

The law is the law and referees over here need to toughen up and take charge of games.

Where have all the Collina's gone? Where has the fear and respect from players and managers gone? Refs are too soft and far far too inconsistent.
 

Rocksuperstar

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Jun 6, 2005
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I think the main culprit for this sort of thread isn't the officials, it's the fact that, up until about fifteen years ago, football was still a game and the odd bad decision didn't mean the difference between millions of pounds to attract superstar players and going into liquidation.

So much is now tied in with this ex-game, the fate of thousands of individuals rests on the outcome of matches. It decides share prices, investors profits, power to borrow to fund yet more spending, attracting more talent etc, but one missed penalty call or one bad decision isn't just a sulky post-match drink/feed in a cafe, it's a board meeting to address the crisis of lower profits, less investment, etc.

The mistakes have always been there, humans are good at them, but now there's far more focus on them as they have far greater reaching consequences. And fans give a crap because instead of just reading about it, or seeing it live from the stands, they can now pour over video replays, pundits have their say over and over, and every one wants to put the ref under the spotlight. I'd say that's fair, but they only want to haul them up when they dick it up - i don't see a big hooha over congratulating refs for doing a sterling job, but fans will go on for weeks about one cock up.
 

talkshowhost86

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Oct 2, 2004
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Meh...it's fine.

TV replays would ruin the game, so you have to accept that humans make mistakes and that will apply to refs as much as it applies to players (who I notice the managers never criticise).

If they want to improve the quality of refs then put some more money into it, and also (and this is so simple it's ridiculous) penalise players for surrounding the ref after a decision is made against them. It's pathetic how little the authorities do to protect their refs.
 

markiespurs

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Jul 9, 2008
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Linesman need to get more involved and help the referee out sometimes. It's amazing the amount of times that a foul happens right in front of the linesman and they don't notice it or only raise their flag once the ref has made the decision.

Standards of refereeing having been getting lower ever since they made them professional.
 

talkshowhost86

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Linesman need to get more involved and help the referee out sometimes. It's amazing the amount of times that a foul happens right in front of the linesman and they don't notice it or only raise their flag once the ref has made the decision.

Standards of refereeing having been getting lower ever since they made them professional.

Yeah sometimes the linesmen do seem to let things go and just let the ref decide.

Don't know if that's how it's supposed to work, but would certainly make sense if they were able to flag a bit more when the play is close to them.
 

alfie103

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Jun 4, 2005
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I don't think Referees have gotten worse at all. Just decisions are reviewed and analysed so many times than used to be the case. Players cheating and actively trying to con the ref doesn't help.

Also it is a bit cringeworthy when people claim there is a conspiracy against their teams with certain refs and how it is crooked against them.
 

Monkey boy

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Jun 18, 2011
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Yeah sometimes the linesmen do seem to let things go and just let the ref decide.

Don't know if that's how it's supposed to work, but would certainly make sense if they were able to flag a bit more when the play is close to them.

Erm I think you'll find that they're called Assistant Referees rather than linesman......... Which makes the point you're making all the more on point :)
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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The refs aren't great but it's the linesmen who are the worst for me. They've just got to a standard now that is the worst I've ever known it.
 

markiespurs

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Also think things might get better if they allowed the ref to explain his decisions on TV after the match. It would at least give us a better understanding of why the ref gave a certain decision.
 

cwy21

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May 11, 2009
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I always thought more video replay was the answer. However, I think the officiating as gotten much worse in the NFL because they will so often not make a decision knowing that it can be reviewed.

Also I disagree with the comment on linesman. They're really fucking good. I don't think many people on here could get 50% on the AR test that Premier League refs need to get 95% on.
 

TheBlueRooster

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May 10, 2005
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The refs aren't great but it's the linesmen who are the worst for me. They've just got to a standard now that is the worst I've ever known it.

The problem for me is the constant changing of the laws of the game don't help, offside used to be just that now it's all about interfering with play and part of play. Their game was easier keep up with the last defender and look along the line. A player may be offside but at the same time not.

Make the laws black and white not grey!
 

jurgen

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Jul 5, 2008
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