Next Manager Watch

[JCRD]

I'm not invested in any potential manager really and intentionally not let myself get worked up as to which manager, apart from Poch at the beginning.

Anyways I think Ange is someone I'm intrigued by. We need to get some passion into our teams and club, we need a connection back with the club and team, we need to like everything again... This isn't just about what a manager brings to the field but how he is gonna help us to become a club and team we actually just fucking like.

So I think Ange is someone who I'd like to see.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Almost all of us would be happy with Nagelsmann

That’s very true mate and really that is the no brainer option in combination with Ragnick or one of his deciples, but assuming either he doesn’t want to come or it’s just not possible for some reason then beyond him now Slot is off the table there is no real clear and obvious candidate.

I personally think big Ange would be a great next option but I’m not quite as convinced on him as I was on Slot for example.

 

[Guntz]

Almost all of us would be happy with Nagelsmann

Nagelsmann is the best manager for us hands down.

He's the perfect mix of a big name, promotes youth, plays attacking football, and is tactically flexible to suit the players we already have in the squad.

Why the club won't speak to him considering they were interested in appointing him twice before is beggars belief.

It's utter insanity.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Spent the afternoon with an old friend who’s a licensed coach and been at a number of clubs at a club presentation tonight, really knowledgeable

His opinion is always lovely to hear on football to be honest as he supports Afan Lido town he couldn’t give a fuck about the premier league however, he’s worked with people who have worked with or been within the same setup as two coaches of which are on our list.

still to this day he thinks potter is the future England manager and he will be the one to bring success to English football he’s adamant he got sold down the river at Chelsea as the squad was way to big for what he was trying to achieve and the bigger players didn’t buy into some of his methods they found him a bit odd as unlike the bigger managers he was trying to be over friendly.
However, if you are rebuilding and want to start off look at what he did out in Sweden build that club up from scratch and his style gets the max out of average footballers.

the problems at Chelsea were he has planned sessions but had too many players to carry them out, no matter what he did someone was upset and he got undermined hugely. Thinks he would do well here but it’s a huge risk as he’s lost confidence in himself

then onto Rodgers, excellent coach but he said he has a way of pissing people off players included however tactically he is apparently immense to stage of obsessive before games, also a very good man motivator but he’s very stubborn and once you cross him there’s no way back he can be quite sabotagist but he did say Rodgers would in his opinion would get spurs back playing the right way and we would potentially do well until he falls out with levy or the players.

Apparently a guy we have who’s with us Davies? Who was at man city is a next level coach who thinks outside the box as well he said a combination of him and someone less experienced could work well.

But he can’t understand why we aren’t looking at Marco Silva and that would be his choice as he thinks he suits the players we have now.
asked about ange and said he’s not heard anything about him in coaching circles really but everybody these days seems to just be raving about RDZ.

Really interesting share mate especially re. Marco Silva as I posted earlier today the people I know at Fulham have said the same about Silva.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Are his cup wins in Argentina is that much more impressive than Ange winning cups in Australia, Japan and Scotland. We talk about other managers who’ve walked it in Scotland pre-Ange but take a look at the Copa Libertadores winning managers.

Surely it’s the exact same gamble..?

FWIW, I’d be very excited about Gallardo, just not sure there’s much difference between him, Ange.

Going by this, I'm not sure you quite understand the rivalry between Rangers and Celtic.
It's based on religion and politics and nothing creates more hatred and conflict than those two things combined!

Just briefly, the Copa Libertadores is the South American equivalent of the Champions League, it is the biggest club comp in that part of the world and one that is mostly won by Brazilian teams. Him winning it twice was a massive achievement.

On a side note in relationship to rivalries. it’s worth looking into the famous rivalry between Boca and River and especially the infamous Libertadores final. It was rather extreme with buses being attacked, players injured by projectiles, games delayed and eventually moved to Spain. it was insane.

As for comparison between manager’s personally I think Gallardo is on a completely different level to Ange. I’ve written about him in great detail in this thread as he has been my top choice from the very start. TBH I’ve come to a point where I don’t even have the energy anymore, I’m so burnt out by all this I’ve lost all hope that we will end up with someone remotely decent. I know that’s utterly unhelpful and I apologise, im sure someone else will come along and explain it.

But in brief he really ticks every box and then some. From being an attacking project manager who has constantly had his teams cherry picked to being incredibly versatile and not relying on one formation. He puts a lot of focus on the mental aspect of the game and thinks players mind sets are just as important as individual ability. He is passionate, charismatic and a serial winner. And one must not forget how good he is with youth, just listen to the likes of Alvarez and Fernández wax lyrical about him and how important he was in their development. The guy is a very clever, tactically astute manager who has strong ideals and beliefs. Imo he’d be the perfect fit for a club like us and where we are now as a team.

 

[McFlash]

Just briefly, the Copa Libertadores is the South American equivalent of the Champions League, it is the biggest club comp in that part of the world and one that is mostly one by Brazilian teams. Him winning it twice was a massive achievement.

On a side note in relationship to rivalries. it’s worth looking into the famous rivalry between Boca and River and especially the infamous Libertadores final. It was rather extreme with buses being attacked, players injured by projectiles, games delayed and eventually moved to Spain. it was insane.

As for comparison between manager’s personally I think Gallardo is on a completely different level to Ange. I’ve written about him in great detail in this thread as he has been my top choice from the very start. TBH I’ve come to a point where I don’t even have the energy anymore, I’m so burnt out by all this I’ve lost all hope that we will end up with someone remotely decent. I know that’s utterly unhelpful and I apologise, im sure someone else will come along and explain it.

But in brief he really ticks every box and then some. From being an attacking project manager who has constantly had his teams cherry picked to being incredibly versatile and not relying on one formation. He puts a lot of focus on the mental aspect of the game and thinks players mind sets are just as important as individual ability. He is passionate, charismatic and a serial winner. And one must not forget how good he is with youth, just listen to the likes of Alvarez and Fernández wax lyrical about him and how important he was in their development. The guy is a very clever, tactically astute manager who has strong ideals and beliefs. Imo he’d be the perfect fit for a club like us and where we are now as a team.

I hope you're not too burnt out mate because I really appreciate and enjoy your views and insight on this site.
So without wedging my nose too far up your arse (), you've provided some fascinating and informative stuff throughout this debacle and before it even started.

Posts from the likes of you, @rossdapep and numerous others have made my kids think I actually know what the fuck I'm talking about when it comes to football!

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

But in brief he really ticks every box and then some. From being an attacking project manager who has constantly had his teams cherry picked to being incredibly versatile and not relying on one formation. He puts a lot of focus on the mental aspect of the game and thinks players mind sets are just as important as individual ability. He is passionate, charismatic and a serial winner. And one must not forget how good he is with youth, just listen to the likes of Alvarez and Fernández wax lyrical about him and how important he was in their development. The guy is a very clever, tactically astute manager who has strong ideals and beliefs. Imo he’d be the perfect fit for a club like us and where we are now as a team.

This is what appeals to me in a manager and I appreciate you taking the time to detail all that

Admittedly, I’m not as bothered about experience in Scotland, Argentina, Australia, Netherlands, because the important thing is that they get buy-in from players and the rest of the club.

To me, this is the kind of stuff that does that. Doesn’t surprise me that he’s been linked with Chelsea, Brighton this year. And I’m sure his name will come up again soon, whether it’s with Spurs or someone else…

 

[ziggy]

Just briefly, the Copa Libertadores is the South American equivalent of the Champions League, it is the biggest club comp in that part of the world and one that is mostly one by Brazilian teams. Him winning it twice was a massive achievement.

On a side note in relationship to rivalries. it’s worth looking into the famous rivalry between Boca and River and especially the infamous Libertadores final. It was rather extreme with buses being attacked, players injured by projectiles, games delayed and eventually moved to Spain. it was insane.

As for comparison between manager’s personally I think Gallardo is on a completely different level to Ange. I’ve written about him in great detail in this thread as he has been my top choice from the very start. TBH I’ve come to a point where I don’t even have the energy anymore, I’m so burnt out by all this I’ve lost all hope that we will end up with someone remotely decent. I know that’s utterly unhelpful and I apologise, im sure someone else will come along and explain it.

But in brief he really ticks every box and then some. From being an attacking project manager who has constantly had his teams cherry picked to being incredibly versatile and not relying on one formation. He puts a lot of focus on the mental aspect of the game and thinks players mind sets are just as important as individual ability. He is passionate, charismatic and a serial winner. And one must not forget how good he is with youth, just listen to the likes of Alvarez and Fernández wax lyrical about him and how important he was in their development. The guy is a very clever, tactically astute manager who has strong ideals and beliefs. Imo he’d be the perfect fit for a club like us and where we are now as a team.

I thought you said briefly

 

[HoltbiusMac]

There's a huge difference. Feyenoord have won how many eredivisies? 5 in the last 50 years and 2 in the last 23. PSV & Ajax donimate that league so for Slot to get Feyenoord the title is highly impressive. I'd also suggest that AZ and Twente are no joke either. Ange won the league with Celtic when they faced next to no pressure from Rangers, who crumbled post Gerard, and the rest of the league are a joke, Hearts, Aberdeen & Hibs are nowhere near the level of even a poor Rangers team, let alone Celtic. I don't have an agenda against Ange at all but I think the jury is still completely out with him. His team can afford to look like 1970's Brazil because they don't have any defending to do.

But the Celtic job isn’t the only job Ange has had. I am not pretending to have watched any of it but he’s credited of doing a transformation in jobs in Japan and Australia and those were not the biggest teams in their league. Yes those were even lower level but it’s not like he’s just managed and done well at Celtic.

I do think there’s a difference but as candidates to me they’re more similar than they are different. Like if we’d seemingly been close to Luis Enrique and then swerved to Ange then they’re wildly different candidates.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I hope you're not too burnt out mate because I really appreciate and enjoy your views and insight on this site.
So without wedging my nose too far up your arse (), you've provided some fascinating and informative stuff throughout this debacle and before it even started.

Posts from the likes of you, @rossdapep and numerous others have made my kids think I actually know what the fuck I'm talking about when it comes to football!

Haha much appreciated bud, thank you for the kind words. It’s really wild isn’t it. Maybe because we all knew Conte was going since Jan this whole thing is so exhausting at this point. By now I’m 90% sure that whatever the wrong choice is it will be the one that Levy makes.

 

[Jaddas]

Big Ange doesn't really excite me. Seems like a nice enough bloke, and is the type of appointment a Leicester, Palace or Wolves would make.

Seems like there is acceptance for him as he's the next cab off the rank when all the nicer ones in front have bolted.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

tbh having a straight talking greek Aussie in charge appeals at the moment...zero bullshit, good people management...the sort we need at the moment

Trouble is not taking any shit means dealing with Levy's false promises he'll probably be out the door in a few weeks.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

This is what appeals to me in a manager and I appreciate you taking the time to detail all that

Admittedly, I’m not as bothered about experience in Scotland, Argentina, Australia, Netherlands, because the important thing is that they get buy-in from players and the rest of the club.

To me, this is the kind of stuff that does that. Doesn’t surprise me that he’s been linked with Chelsea, Brighton this year. And I’m sure his name will come up again soon, whether it’s with Spurs or someone else…

If curious, the Athletic interview with Gallardo from a month or so ago is a great read and really gives you an idea of his values. I know it’s almost certainly not going to happen but ether way it’s interesting.

Marcelo Gallardo - his philosophy in his own words

Former River Plate boss Gallardo is among the most in-demand managers in football - he shares his philosophy and views on the game...

theathletic.com

 

[rebrab]

I think there’s a lot of cases here on where “you’re both right” applies when it comes to Ange.

1. He plays great, very attacking football
2. It’s comparatively easy to win the league as a Celtic manager so it’s a massive risk

It’s just what the individuals care about at this point in time.

Personally, I’m pretty low after watching 38 games of premier league football so bad I can’t decide whether to sell my tv or my eyes. So I’m settling for the potential of some attacking football so I can enjoy the thought of it for a few months before it goes to pot when we actually play a game

 

[McFlash]

Haha much appreciated bud, thank you for the kind words. It’s really wild isn’t it. Maybe because we all knew Conte was going since Jan this whole thing is so exhausting at this point. By now I’m 90% sure that whatever the wrong choice is it will be the one that Levy makes.

That's why this feels worse than the last manager cock up.
Like, not only could we all forsee this situation, there were also some bloody good options available, from Nagelsmann, Slot, Gallardo and a fair few others. Yet here we are, over two months after Conte finally leaving (which was pretty obviously happening beforehand) and more since Paratici left (also ditto) and we're still floundering around with no apparent direction.

I know that we shouldn't jump to too many conclusions because we don't know what's happening behind the scenes but to all intents and purposes, this looks to be a complete circus.

 

[SlotBadger]

If curious, the Athletic interview with Gallardo from a month or so ago is a great read and really gives you an idea of his values. I know it’s almost certainly not going to happen but ether way it’s interesting.

Marcelo Gallardo - his philosophy in his own words

Former River Plate boss Gallardo is among the most in-demand managers in football - he shares his philosophy and views on the game...

theathletic.com

I apologise to everyone who’s familiar with the song for what I’m about to do…

I can’t read Gallardo’s full name without singing it to the tune of Akon’s “Smack That”

 

[Tezza1978]

I hope you're not too burnt out mate because I really appreciate and enjoy your views and insight on this site.
So without wedging my nose too far up your arse (), you've provided some fascinating and informative stuff throughout this debacle and before it even started.

Posts from the likes of you, @rossdapep and numerous others have made my kids think I actually know what the fuck I'm talking about when it comes to football!

Seconded from me. @Ghost Hardware have really appreciated your knowledge and insight on here, you clearly really know your football. As a 44 year old wally with a hectic job and 2 kids under 9 and very limited time to watch any other football other than Spurs these days I can genuinely say I've learnt some stuff from your posts.

Back to the main topic - it will be interesting to see if any leftfield choices /unexpected ones start to appear in the next week or so. I remember in 2021 we were all surprised by the sudden Fonseca and then Gattuso links.

Clearly getting a DOF in is a very high priority and will have a major impact on the search.....

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

If curious, the Athletic interview with Gallardo from a month or so ago is a great read and really gives you an idea of his values. I know it’s almost certainly not going to happen but ether way it’s interesting.

Marcelo Gallardo - his philosophy in his own words

Former River Plate boss Gallardo is among the most in-demand managers in football - he shares his philosophy and views on the game...

theathletic.com

A great write-up (and a reminder why I still have a sub).

Part that struck me was this quote:

“I’d have to get to know the club’s model and culture,” he says. “You cannot ignore the history of the place where you’re going to work and live. That part is incredibly important.”

Him choosing us would be as important as Spurs selecting him. And that would be that, he’d be there for the long haul.

Though him getting to know our model will probably only end one way

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Still can’t get my head around how badly this club is run.

Naglesmann is now unemployed but wants to choose DoF but we don’t have a DoF so in reality we get two for the price of one and align our recruitment but obviously that is too much power lost for old Daniel the control freak

Go all big on Slot knowing that he is under contract then crap out pants when they put a price on him.

All the while we had a man most fans loved who would come back and was free but is now off to Chelsea

All these great options and we could end up with someone like Rogers. It’s like Levy is being mind controlled by an Arsenal fan. Half expecting the club to appoint Sol Campbell as manager.

 

[arunspurs]

My gut feeling is, Levy will pay the same 20m compensation for Amorim and get him to manage us