Next Manager Watch

[GetSpurredOn]

I can actually see Nagelsmann not fancying Chelsea. Yes, they have an enviable pool of players, and managers do get backed, but equally the optics of this year don’t look that much better than us. Boehly’s approach would appear to be the same invasive pressure as being at Bayern, almost limiting the managers influence and the board pulling the strings all the time to control the managers choices.
Fingers crossed Chelsea get desperate for a quick appointment and go for Enrique.

 

[chrisd2k]

I was refuting the inference that Poch's success was largely down to the luck of inheriting a talented squad previously. I don't see his return as the only viable option out there (even if it would be my preference) but I think the attitude of some of our fans to downplay his achievements or paint him as a nearly man is wrong. We outperformed our budget in terms of league position in every single full season he managed us. I don't buy the idea he's tactically flawed because he was unable to beat sides like City, Liverpool and Chelsea when working on a fraction of their budgets and player spend.

My point is theres always another side to the argument. Some will say he was a nearly man as we nearly won lots of stuff but never did. He was good at lots of stuff yes absolutely and if a poster completely overlooks that its obviously wrong, but the pro camp do the same thing like you have done with his tactical awareness. We lost to teams in Europe with lower budgets, we lost to teams domestically with lower budgets and the common complaint back then was lack of substitutions and a plan b.

Anyway we can agree that a change needs to happen with someone who understands front foot football.

 

[soflapaul]

and it leads to the point I and some others made last night.

For the last 3 -4 years, these players have been coached to NOT actively be on the ball.

Theyve not been coached to.

Our players, whilst some not being good enough, are being told to play this way and they are at their most fragile. They have. not been given any confidence or bravery

Love your posts because they are in the trenches type posts. There is still a considerable amount of talent in the dressing room but they don't have the mindset to lead themselves. as there are no pure leaders on the pitch. Dier and Pierre are decent leaders when they are confident but when they make mistakes, they go inward. And the current tactics exposes their weaknesses. AC's real folly was not having the flexibility to modify his system enough to accomodate the player's weaknesses. That's on the board too for not getting enough of his type of players in. But regardless, doubling down on a bad strategy made it worse.

What we really need is a coach who can do two things. The first is to come up with a system that will play to their strengths. Most of our players have regressed over the last few years. Age may play a part of it but not all of it. Some of the players on loan could contribute straight away in the right system. (Yes to Gil and an injury free GLC, Udogie, etc No to Winks and Tanguay). Improved tactics alone would raise the player's mentality.

Second, he needs to be a man manager as this lot can't lift themselves up by their own bootstraps. Sonny is a great example. Selling Sonny now is premature. Falling off a cliff that badly is not a physical thing. It may be part physical but it is tactical (wrong system) and mental. Performances cratered once they stopped believing in the coach or the system the coach installed. It happened with Poch, , Jose, Nuno and Antonio. Look at the bounce in performance we had with JM and AC when they players understood and initially believed.

As @Albertbarich so adroitly put, we are a manager's appointment away from a solid team and a disaster. And if we get the right manager, things could turn around on a dime. What i do like about many of the coaches on the supposed list is that most fulfill these two roles.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

If that’s true, then I would be going nowhere near them if I was JN regardless what Vivell wants. Far too risky

 

[richard_gleeson]

Rafa Van der Vaart reckons we should go for Slot.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

If Chelsea don't go for Nagelsmann not sure what they're thinking tbh.

He's like Potter if you remove all of the downsides.

I can completely see Bohely being spooked by his downfall at BM. I assumed, and still assume, that Vivell would quell any concerns. But I honestly would be thinking twice if I’m Nagelsmann if I even remotely think Bohely isn’t 100% behind the appointment.

 

[Japhet]

As soon as Nagelsmann became available, he was the obvious standout manager for me. But the longer our manager search goes on, I think it's obvious he will go to them lot in W London.
I want a manager who actually cares about the club, not someone who's here just for a big payday, and thinks they're bigger than us, and we should feel privileged to have them.
I think Poch is the man who deserves another chance. Maybe I'm being blinded by how bad we are at the moment, but in all my years following this club (30 +), he was the man who made me feel more connected to the club than any previous manager. As a fan I enjoyed the football we played under him(especially the first 4 years).
I've never felt as disconnected to the club as I have these past few weeks/months. It's horrible to say but I didn't feel anything when we drew last night. In fact I think we all knew it was coming.
I wouldn't expect Poch/ any manager to come in and turn it around over night. We all know it's going to be a painful rebuild. But like I say, for me personally Poch deserves another chance.

I don't know that the rebuild would be that painful under Poch. We need a GK, A top quality CB and a playmaker urgently for his type of play. We obviously need a few upgrades too, but I think he'd be open to using Spence and some of the youngsters. Obviously if Kane goes we need a replacement but we should have a lump of cash for that, and if we were to get our loan players back, they might work better for him since he wanted them (mostly). As I said ages ago, give him Gvardiol and Maddison and we're a completely different prospect to play against.

 

[jpascavitz]

Just a little concerning that Chelsea (as with Bayern) seem to get the ball rolling with news leaking already they're chatting with Nagelsman, Enrique, and even Poch.

We very much may be keeping everything in-house and keeping things quiet, but the narrative always seems to be these other clubs making swift, decisive action while we sit on our hands til Summer to fully assess everything.

The worst part is, I would actually be fine with doing our DD and taking our time, but in the past we haven't had any sort of plan.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Just a little concerning that Chelsea (as with Bayern) seem to get the ball rolling with news leaking already they're chatting with Nagelsman, Enrique, and even Poch.

We very much may be keeping everything in-house and keeping things quiet, but the narrative always seems to be these other clubs making swift, decisive action while we sit on our hands til Summer to fully assess everything.

The worst part is, I would actually be fine with doing our DD and taking our time, but in the past we haven't had any sort of plan.

Tbf we have also had reports that we’ve been sounding out everyone from Julian Nagelsmann to Steve Cooper with a side order of Niko Kovac thrown in for good measure.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Time for a new club motto:

“They can change the manager, a lot of managers, but the situation will not change.”

 

[samspurs92]

I understand the sentiment but I honestly just don’t think it would work. We need a restart as a football club and I think if Poch came back Levy would just think that everything was going to magically fix itself by his arrival alone, and we wouldn’t get the root and branch change that we need.

I’m also quite suspicious of the fact that Poch has barely worked since he left us - I really feel he needs another 5 years and couple of clubs with some success in other countries before he will genuinely offer us something more.

That’s completely fair and I understand where you’re coming from.

I just can’t see anyone else decent wanting to join us.

It’s such a shit situation, I think we’re going to take a long time to be on the up again.

 

[VDV11 Fan]

Rafa Van der Vaart reckons we should go for Slot.

Looks like I may have to change my vote so...

 

[synththfc]

chelsea already starting their search. meanwhile, at tottenham…

 

[Albertbarich]

chelsea already starting their search. meanwhile, at tottenham…

We don't have a dickhead journalist leaking stuff in return for propaganda?

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Rafa Van der Vaart reckons we should go for Slot.

Seems everyone’s getting involved, Gus Poyet thinks we should get Poch back.

 

[homer hotspur]

I don't know that the rebuild would be that painful under Poch. We need a GK, A top quality CB and a playmaker urgently for his type of play. We obviously need a few upgrades too, but I think he'd be open to using Spence and some of the youngsters. Obviously if Kane goes we need a replacement but we should have a lump of cash for that, and if we were to get our loan players back, they might work better for him since he wanted them (mostly). As I said ages ago, give him Gvardiol and Maddison and we're a completely different prospect to play against.

I'm sorry to break it to you but no way are either of these 2 coming to Spurs, whatever we bid/offer. Better options for them assured and this will be the case for most of the players who will be bandied around.

 

[Nerine]

Time for a new club motto:

“They can change the manager, a lot of managers, but the situation will not change.”

"Procuratorem mutare possunt multum procuratores, sed res non mutatur."

Rolls off the tongue.

 

[VDV11 Fan]

We don't have a dickhead journalist leaking stuff in return for propaganda?

Would it be safe to assume that's the reason? I'd also like to think so but find it strange that Chelsea's search is already very public whereas we've barely heard a peep about ours.

Makes it seem like they're further along in the search however it could just be the case that we've already made progress but just haven't had anything leaked yet

 

[Albertbarich]

Would it be safe to assume that's the reason? I'd also like to think so but find it strange that Chelsea's search is already very public whereas we've barely heard a peep about ours.

Makes it seen like they're further along in the search however it could just be the case that we've already made progress but just haven't had anything leaked yet

There has been loads of stuff saying we have spoke to this person and that person. Matt law is the Chelsea propaganda machine, he gets stuff and in return defends Abramovich and will slag us off to the hills. Sorry our owners haven't been banned from football Matt you prick

Sorry , I just want a bit of balance. If we're a mess Chelsea area circus and lets not forget this isn't the previous successful ownership there. Boehly has no track record to explain the mess he has created.

 

[homer hotspur]

There has been loads of stuff saying we have spoke to this person and that person. Matt law is the Chelsea propaganda machine, he gets stuff and in return defends Abramovich and will slag us off to the hills. Sorry our owners haven't been banned from football Matt you prick

Sorry , I just want a bit of balance. If we're a mess Chelsea area circus and lets not forget this isn't the previous successful ownership there. Boehly has no track record to explain the mess he has created.

Wasn't it Matt Law who tweeted that absolute nonsense about JN being some kind of Spurs fan?