Next Manager Watch

[max cady]

Apparently Chelsea have some concerns over his age and how he fell out with people at Bayern.

But agreed, I think in the end they probably go for him considering they've already got some of the Leipzig model at the club.

unlike us who have no model at all

 

[Dougal]

I thought Carragher made a good point yesterday.

Said that it is the coach that changes the culture.

He gave Klopp and Arteta as examples and stated that before them both their boards had performed very poorly.

Arsenal fans were nearly rioting at one point.

Part of the reason we are where we are is because of the management decisions Levy keeps making.

Liverpool and Arsenal has both been poor in the market prior to Klopp and Arteta arriving.

Suddenly they got better at it.

So the right coach could change a lot.

Sure, we would still have a lot of issues and Levy should not br anywhere near it. But a coach can change things

Poch did change it. But at some point the board have to do their bit too. This is where we always fall short. Levy has compartmentalised the football side of the club. There is no room for growth. We remain in his budget. Despite the fact that everything else going on in the club were meant to grow the football side of things. He’s got the whole club arse about face.

 

[eViL]

he was making shit runs.. hobby and skip turned and went backwards multiple times instead.

Fixed

 

[hamsup_sotong]

Fixed

lol nice try

 

[Rosco1984]

This system doesn't allow him to. He's playing in CM more than in any area he's actually dangerous in.

yeah thats what I am saying he is playing in handcuffs its very similar to Dele under Jose. Went from having freedom to press and get in behind whenever we had the ball to having to hold shape which was never his game.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Criticised for not having a plan B, the timings of his subs, team selections, in game management and if I gave it some thought, probably more.

Do we really want this guy managing the club.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

actually hes wrong

Michael edwards was behind klopp and Edu has worked hand in glove with Arteta, allowing him to have the autonomy to bin all the dross.

Unfortunately for us we have pragmatic boring football FP in charge - well we did until a week ago.

The coach has to as part of the system.

That’s the thing, I’d feel a lot more comfortable about a newer manager like Slot who has little to no experience building a longer term project if he was part of an overall vision for the club set out by a DoF. I really can’t help but feel we are going about this in completely the wrong way. Having good tactics is one thing and world probably be enough at a team like Brighton which is already a well oiled machine but we need a lot of work to get to that point.

 

[chrisd2k]

After last night I’ve just had enough.

More than ever, I want Poch back.

Yes, he’s not perfect or blameless for how it ended last time but I just want someone that you know is in it for the long haul and will be trying to rebuild the club in the right way.

I’ve had enough of established players not being held accountable by the club and we need to start investing in the players that have the right character and mentality.

We should have backed in the first place and let him get rid of all the deadwood. Rejecting that massive offer for Dier from United just looks more and more stupid by the game.

Or, and here me out here, we could hire another of the hundreds of coaches available? Just a thought

 

[rossdapep]

I thought Carragher made a good point yesterday.

Said that it is the coach that changes the culture.

He gave Klopp and Arteta as examples and stated that before them both their boards had performed very poorly.

Arsenal fans were nearly rioting at one point.

Part of the reason we are where we are is because of the management decisions Levy keeps making.

Liverpool and Arsenal has both been poor in the market prior to Klopp and Arteta arriving.

Suddenly they got better at it.

So the right coach could change a lot.

Sure, we would still have a lot of issues and Levy should not br anywhere near it. But a coach can change things

and it leads to the point I and some others made last night.

For the last 3 -4 years, these players have been coached to NOT actively be on the ball.

They've been coached to let the opposition come to them and then spring an attack.

Thats 3-4 years of repetitive training drills that focus more on quick transitional phases, rather than construction through the thirds.

A lot of coaches are using a box midfield now as it allows great control in midfield and the traps are set there but it also means high possession and players active with and without the ball.

We have been so rigid and safe in midfield the last 3-4 years. The ball is only supposed to go into the midfield to transition. Thats about it.

You dont see our midfield playing intricate interchanges of play or in triangles because the objective is to play through it as quickly as possible.

All of these drills and patterns have led the players to not becoming comfortable when they need to just keep the ball.

Theyve not been coached to.

Both Mourinho and Conte bollock players for doing that.

They want it moved quickly whilst the opposition is vulnerable.

There's no pleasure in maintaining possession and tiring the opposition out because the pleasure is in going for the kill.

Sometimes you have to be patient on the ball and move players about. Again, we haven't beem coached to do this.

When Poch arrived at the club players like Dembele, Vertonghen and Walker regularly made poor passes or got caught on the ball. They played with fear.

Poch took that fear away by telling them they had to be brave and had to enjoy being with the ball, secondly they had to dominate and smother the opposition.

You then get those same 11 players looking much better.

It takes time to change that mentality from playing with fear to being brave.

When I played, I was a player who played with fear. Give me the ball in space and I'm okay. As soon as I am under pressure or I realised I was the last man with the ball, Id panic and either just 'get rid' or make a botched pass.

I'd always get the coach or players at me if I tried a pass or had too many touches.

So that's why I played with fear. Im expecting the bollocking. But no-one came to me and told me how to make a better choice or give me confidence. I had to boot it otherwise I get it in the neck.

Our players, whilst some not being good enough, are being told to play this way and they are at their most fragile. They have. not been given any confidence or bravery

 

[Beefyboy]

Might be me clutching a little but I just don't see how JN to Chelsea makes sense. He is a tactically flexible and astute project manager who needs time to get his ideas across. Chelsea have just done that and its been horrible for them.

I can see both JN looking at what's happened to Potter and thinking no thanks. And I can also see Boehley thinking exactly the same. Even the fact he's only 35 I can see putting Boehley off.

 

[rossdapep]

Poch did change it. But at some point the board have to do their bit too. This is where we always fall short. Levy has compartmentalised the football side of the club. There is no room for growth. We remain in his budget. Despite the fact that everything else going on in the club were meant to grow the football side of things. He’s got the whole club arse about face.

Yeah thats true.

I think you are seeing it now with Liverpool and Klopp.

That phase is over for them but the board are realising a rebuild is required and firing Klopp isn't an option.

We got to that point but Levy panicked and sent us down another route.

I am hopeful a new coach comes in and gets the team firing again and fans buoyant.

Law if averages tells you Levy at some point gets the manager call right.

But the issue is when we get to that point of getting over hurdles, Levy will always hold back, think further investment is not needed, things will stagnate and his delusion will lead to another fall back.

 

[Yantino]

This is so wrong. A new manager comes in and changes the system and tactics and things would improve immediately. We hit self destruct against Saints and Everton, not because the players are crap or cowards,, but because of how they are being sent out to play.

All season long we have left ourselves short in midfield. That’s 100% on the manager. We have refused to play certain players. That’s 100% on the manager. We have tried to pretend Lloris can play with his feet. That’s 100% on the manager. We have continually played in transition. That’s 100% on the manager. All of this could change, but it won’t while we have continuity-Conte in charge. Same system, same tactics, same old, same old.

We will have to agree to disagree. IMO we will be back here having this same conversation again 18 months after the next manager appointment, talking about how Dier, Sanchez, Lloris and Davies aren’t good enough. So, to my point, changing to manager isn’t resolving the issues(s).

 

[nedley]

Criticised for not having a plan B, the timings of his subs, team selections, in game management and if I gave it some thought, probably more.

Do we really want this guy managing the club.

What's the alternative?

 

[Hakkz]

Criticised for not having a plan B, the timings of his subs, team selections, in game management and if I gave it some thought, probably more.

Do we really want this guy managing the club.

Who are you referring to? Sounds like Poch to me.

 

[Scot-Spur]

and it leads to the point I and some others made last night.

For the last 3 -4 years, these players have been coached to NOT actively be on the ball.

They've been coached to let the opposition come to them and then spring an attack.

Thats 3-4 years of repetitive training drills that focus more on quick transitional phases, rather than construction through the thirds.

A lot of coaches are using a box midfield now as it allows great control in midfield and the traps are set there but it also means high possession and players active with and without the ball.

We have been so rigid and safe in midfield the last 3-4 years. The ball is only supposed to go into the midfield to transition. Thats about it.

You dont see our midfield playing intricate interchanges of play or in triangles because the objective is to play through it as quickly as possible.

All of these drills and patterns have led the players to not becoming comfortable when they need to just keep the ball.

Theyve not been coached to.

Both Mourinho and Conte bollock players for doing that.

They want it moved quickly whilst the opposition is vulnerable.

There's no pleasure in maintaining possession and tiring the opposition out because the pleasure is in going for the kill.

Sometimes you have to be patient on the ball and move players about. Again, we haven't beem coached to do this.

When Poch arrived at the club players like Dembele, Vertonghen and Walker regularly made poor passes or got caught on the ball. They played with fear.

Poch took that fear away by telling them they had to be brave and had to enjoy being with the ball, secondly they had to dominate and smother the opposition.

You then get those same 11 players looking much better.

It takes time to change that mentality from playing with fear to being brave.

When I played, I was a player who played with fear. Give me the ball in space and I'm okay. As soon as I am under pressure or I realised I was the last man with the ball, Id panic and either just 'get rid' or make a botched pass.

I'd always get the coach or players at me if I tried a pass or had too many touches.

So that's why I played with fear. Im expecting the bollocking. But no-one came to me and told me how to make a better choice or give me confidence. I had to boot it otherwise I get it in the neck.

Our players, whilst some not being good enough, are being told to play this way and they are at their most fragile. They have. not been given any confidence or bravery

This! It is definitely not all on the players, we have some pretty damn good players but the tactics are making them look horrible.

We have people in threads going on about getting rid of Romero and Kulu it is crazy.

 

[rossdapep]

Criticised for not having a plan B, the timings of his subs, team selections, in game management and if I gave it some thought, probably more.

Do we really want this guy managing the club.

You could honestly be talking about anyone?? All of our previous 4 coaches (Stellini if included) have been guilty of this.

 

[Albertbarich]

We were a bloody good team under Poch , one of the best around, the team had peaked though and needed rebuilding.

We went for the quick fix though and brought in Mourinho and we have been paying for it ever since.

In Conte and Mourinho you have two coaches that burn everything around them if they have to protect their reputation. We knew what we were getting and I can't totally blame the board because I was on board with Conte and could see the sense in Jose but when they didn't get the players they wanted it was over. They would bury their gran to protect their name .

Let's not forget before these two 'winners' came in we were champions league regulars , had reached countless semi finals, a couple of finals, had smashed teams like Real Madrid and Dortmund in Europe.

And now the staff turnover is huge, I think Conte got 14 new players ? Saying that all the players have a bad attitude is just lazy convenient thinking.

A positive coach, who enthuses over the club, the players and the fans will give us all a totally different outlook on our team, I promise you. We haven't had that in so long now and a portion of the fanbase has been gaslit by social media trolls into thinking the man who gave us it -Poch is a loser because he didn't get us over the line to win a trophy.

I don't know whether him coming back would work or not but just look at man utd with ten hag, look at the scum with Arteta, look at the Saudis with Howe ( they haven't spent that much yet ) . A positive, switched on coach who wants to be there, wants the chance and wants to bring everyone with him can soon turn the feeling, the attitude and the whole club around

 

[rossdapep]

Big ask for him to come in and deal with this lot. Especially considering he likely has little experience dealing with so many egos which we certainly seem to have. Whoever we bring in needs to have the balls to bench players regardless of their name or pay check. Not that Slot isn’t that guy, he may well be.

Really tho, more than just a manager we need a DoF who actually understands what is wrong with this team and understands the manager we bring in. Paratici isn’t that man.

I don't think we have as many egos as it's been led to believe.

Ten Hag had the same thing said about him at United and now Ronaldo and Pogba are gone they look much healthier.

Kane will always get onside if the team are exciting.
Lloris will be gone.
Son's laziness won't be tolerated and I don't see him as a trouble maker.

I then don't see any other players who would cause issues.

My feeling is that they are a tired group lacking in confidence.

A vibrant coach can change all of that, although he'll need a couple of the older ones to be gone.

 

[Gpnash84]

I'm not sure the point here. Yes he improved players, he's a good coach. Had many tactical flaws too. Both are true and when weighing both up I think the cons outweigh the pros.

I was refuting the inference that Poch's success was largely down to the luck of inheriting a talented squad previously. I don't see his return as the only viable option out there (even if it would be my preference) but I think the attitude of some of our fans to downplay his achievements or paint him as a nearly man is wrong. We outperformed our budget in terms of league position in every single full season he managed us. I don't buy the idea he's tactically flawed because he was unable to beat sides like City, Liverpool and Chelsea when working on a fraction of their budgets and player spend.

 

[Timberwolf]

I don't think we have as many egos as it's been led to believe.

Ten Hag had the same thing said about him at United and now Ronaldo and Pogba are gone they look much healthier.

Kane will always get onside if the team are exciting.
Lloris will be gone.
Son's laziness won't be tolerated and I don't see him as a trouble maker.

I then don't see any other players who would cause issues.

My feeling is that they are a tired group lacking in confidence.

A vibrant coach can change all of that, although he'll need a couple of the older ones to be gone.

Yeah if anything we don't have enough big egos and characters tbh.

Even the hot-heads like Rich and Romero seem quite chilled out and lovable behind the scenes.