New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Roynie]

The concrete itself has to be 5 degrees minimum to pour and you can pour at 2 degrees if temperature is rising but most firms these days use a higher cut off of 4 or 5 degrees. Curing time completely depends on depth, area, mix etc

I must caveat this with I haven't been on a large project for a couple of years and things tend to be a bit more 'flexible' on smaller projects

Thanks for that. I was just idle curiosity on my part, I suppose just wondering if they poured first thing in the morning, when it was just warm enough, whether it would be sufficiently cured by the evening. However, as you say, it depends on depth, area, mix etc.

Thanks again.

 

[dovahkiin]

billericay yid on ftl: just had a call from the sales team selling the corporate in the new stadium.
He said that if safe standing gets the go-ahead, they have permission to take the stadium up to 68,000.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

billericay yid on ftl: just had a call from the sales team selling the corporate in the new stadium.
He said that if safe standing gets the go-ahead, they have permission to take the stadium up to 68,000.

This seems like more information than a sales team would have. I doubt they know very much about this.

What is "permission" and from whom? From the FA? Perhaps.

From the planners? I don't think so. I've not seen a revised planning application to increase the stadium capacity and to replace seats with standing areas. I can't imagine that this would be treated as a minor amendment to the existing planning consent, because it affects emergency evacuation, public transport and acoustical issues, all of which were the subjects of detailed reports in the planning application and all of which were based on 61,000 spectators.

Also, we have no idea if and when safe standing will be introduced. If the club wants to get involved in that, I think they would submit a planning application then, not now. Why waste money on a revised schemer that may never become an option?

Let's take this "permission" with a dose of salt.

 

[Roynie]

I seem to recall that one of the factors in deciding the capacity is how long it would take to empty the stadium and time for the crowds to disperse. Having an extra 11% plus inside would surely increase both the evacuation time and the dispersal time. Seems to me like someone is over egging the omelette!

 

[Lilbaz]

We've heard before that the stadium was designed with possible safe standing factored in. Whether that would increase capacity i have no idea.

 

[beats1]

This seems like more information than a sales team would have. I doubt they know very much about this.

What is "permission" and from whom? From the FA? Perhaps.

From the planners? I don't think so. I've not seen a revised planning application to increase the stadium capacity and to replace seats with standing areas. I can't imagine that this would be treated as a minor amendment to the existing planning consent, because it affects emergency evacuation, public transport and acoustical issues, all of which were the subjects of detailed reports in the planning application and all of which were based on 61,000 spectators.

Also, we have no idea if and when safe standing will be introduced. If the club wants to get involved in that, I think they would submit a planning application then, not now. Why waste money on a revised schemer that may never become an option?

Let's take this "permission" with a dose of salt.

I think he is referring to FA. If they allow it then we can increase it to that figure

Whilst not much detail, Levy confirmed to the Supporters Trust that the new stadium will be able to accommodate safe standing should the legal position change on safe standing

 

[Hengy1]

I don't see how safe standing would increase capacity as safe standing now is rail seating meaning 1 seat is 1 place to stand.

 

[yankspurs]

Well I'm sure this will effect things. The New York Jets owner, Woody Johnson, has been named the US Ambassador to the UK. He has apparently been involved with the talks between the NFL and the British gov't about bringing a team to London.

 

[Lilbaz]

Is there any reason (other than the game takes fucking ages) that safe standing can't be used for nfl or concerts?

 

[yankspurs]

Is there any reason (other than the game takes fucking ages) that safe standing can't be used for nfl or concerts?

Im sure there is standing room only tickets at Jerry World but Im not sure if they are ever used for the NFL. I do always see standing room only tickets on sale at venues all over the country for concerts though

 

[chrissivad]

I don't see how safe standing would increase capacity as safe standing now is rail seating meaning 1 seat is 1 place to stand.

If they go by the Green Guide then they could go up to a 1:1.8 ratio.
This would have to be cleard by the FA if/when they let safe standing back.

At the moment i think Celtic are doing a trial with no increase in capacity (1:1 ratio)

 

[Lilbaz]

I don't see how safe standing would increase capacity as safe standing now is rail seating meaning 1 seat is 1 place to stand.

Then how come dortmunds capacity increases when they have standing?

 

[Hengy1]

Then how come dortmunds capacity increases when they have standing?

Don't know do you?

 

[Lilbaz]

Don't know do you?

I'm guessing because the ratio isn't 1 to 1.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

This seems like more information than a sales team would have. I doubt they know very much about this.

What is "permission" and from whom? From the FA? .

I read that as permission internally to sell 68,000 tickets versus 61,000

Nothing to do with actual permission to have safe standing.

 

[EighteenEightyTwo]

If they go by the Green Guide then they could go up to a 1:1.8 ratio.
This would have to be cleard by the FA if/when they let safe standing back.

At the moment i think Celtic are doing a trial with no increase in capacity (1:1 ratio)

I think the 1:1.8 ratio makes sense with billericay's information. It's the lower half of the single tiered stand that we have safe standing in mind for, so if that 8.5k area has a 1:1.8 ratio then it would increase overall capacity by about 6,800 to nearly 68k.

 

[beats1]

If they go by the Green Guide then they could go up to a 1:1.8 ratio.
This would have to be cleard by the FA if/when they let safe standing back.

At the moment i think Celtic are doing a trial with no increase in capacity (1:1 ratio)

Celtic are doing the rail seating with the 1:1 ratio

Then how come dortmunds capacity increases when they have standing?

Because as Chris says, their ratio is different, its around 1 seat:1.7standing

Im sure there is standing room only tickets at Jerry World but Im not sure if they are ever used for the NFL. I do always see standing room only tickets on sale at venues all over the country for concerts though

Jerry's world does have the standing room at the ends I believe but its not actually standing areas like football stadium(i.e no slope or rail seats or designated areas) but just 8 large decks that people stand on and rush to get near the front and just walk around

 

[Lilbaz]

I think the 1:1.8 ratio makes sense with billericay's information. It's the lower half of the single tiered stand that we have safe standing in mind for, so if that 8.5k area has a 1:1.8 ratio then it would increase overall capacity by about 6,800 to nearly 68k.

Our capacity will be 61461 so the increase would be just over 68k.

 

[Ionman34]

I bet @Ionman34 can answer that better than I can.

Concrete should be laid at 5 degrees and rising, although you can put in hot water etc, but this tends to mess with the target strength. The maximum ambient temperature is usually 32 degrees, though ice can be added and a variety of additives are available. Usually it is cheaper to pour at night.

This is pretty much a given anywhere in the World.

 

[Ionman34]

Thanks for that. I was just idle curiosity on my part, I suppose just wondering if they poured first thing in the morning, when it was just warm enough, whether it would be sufficiently cured by the evening. However, as you say, it depends on depth, area, mix etc.

Thanks again.

Depth and area are irrelevant to curing time. Concrete has a "curing curve" (can't remember the proper term for it). Target strength is based on 28 days curing, but most structural mixes will hit approx. 70% of that after around 7 days.
Remember that curing is a chemical reaction, it isn't a drying process so depth, area etc are irrelevant, it all cures at pretty much the same rate.