Match Threads Leeds Vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 35 - KO 12:30

[Wheeler Dealer]

I’d sell them both and start again. Neither of them have lived up to their price tags.

Agree. They never fill you with confidence. They both show glimpses of brilliance, but this is massively over shadowed with large periods of general ineptitude

 

[Shadydan]

I’d sell them both and start again. Neither of them have lived up to their price tags.

And get two more players who need another year to aclimatise to the league (if they are coming from overseas) and two their team mates?

We need to refresh yes but these two have some potential - they, just like a few of our players need a new manager.

I remember when people were saying exactly the same thing about our players before Poch came in and they were playing shit under Sherwood - Dembele, Vertonghen, Danny Rose etc...

 

[SPURSLIFE]

I think they both needed to go. Jose has gone now. Next step is for the new coach/Levy to get rid of the players that need to go . If that isn’t done, it’s going to be a recycle of this season again.

The problem is we are unlikely to get the price we paid for them back. They came with big reputations and would leave with them tarnished. I can never understand how we pay big money for some players that are often overated and miss out on some good English players for half the price for the sake of few million.

 

[sharky127]

The tv footage don't show everything the VAR team are looking at. Stop looking for conspiracies. We're shit and don't deserve top 4.

Oh i know that. We were crap today, I was merely pointing out that with any of our offsides today there were multiple viewings of the said incidences yet for their goal it was on screen for less than 5 seconds

 

[ardiles]

The problem is we are unlikely to get the price we paid for them back. They came with big reputations and would leave with them tarnished. I can never understand how we pay big money for some players that are often overated and miss out on some good English players for half the price for the sake of few million.

Unfortunately that the same reasons that has been said season after season.

If we don’t sell those players (those that don’t fit the team or are just not good enough), their respective values will only go down at the next TW and during that time, we would still be paying their wages. So if you add those two factors, it is not much of a big loss selling them at a lower fee than what we’d want.

 

[spursfan77]

And get two more players who need another year to aclimatise to the league (if they are coming from overseas) and two their team mates?

We need to refresh yes but these two have some potential - they, just like a few of our players need a new manager.

I remember when people were saying exactly the same thing about our players before Poch came in and they were playing shit under Sherwood - Dembele, Vertonghen, Danny Rose etc...

It isn’t the same though is it. The two belgian lads had done enough before to have lots of grace from the fans in the tank.

But, how much longer do you give them? Ndombele is 24 and lo celso is 25. They aren’t kids. There’s no more potential. This is them, this is the players they are going to be. If they were playing like this at 19 and 20 you’d give them the time. But they should be, for the outlay, doing a hell of a lot more than they have. You could sell one and buy Bissouma and we’d easily be a better side. I’m sure there’s plenty of other premier league midfielders of the same age who could come in and produce more than they have.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I've just seen the score.......What the fuck.

Could be worse mate. You could've seen the game.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Count yourself lucky you didn't see the game

Oh you ****.

 

[Shadydan]

It isn’t the same though is it. The two belgian lads had done enough before to have lots of grace from the fans in the tank.

But, how much longer do you give them? Ndombele is 24 and lo celso is 25. They aren’t kids. There’s no more potential. This is them, this is the players they are going to be. If they were playing like this at 19 and 20 you’d give them the time. But they should be, for the outlay, doing a hell of a lot more than they have. You could sell one and buy Bissouma and we’d easily be a better side. I’m sure there’s plenty of other premier league midfielders of the same age who could come in and produce more than they have.

Point is they've shown potential and have a relatively high ceiling, we've been an utter shit show for the entirety of the time they've been here so i's only fair to see what they can do to a manager who will play them to their strengths.

24 and 25 aren't old either, it's not as if they're Kane and Son's age, funny you mention Bissouma because he's been developed in a system under a manager who will allow him to play to his strengths, if Lo Celso and Ndombele were playing for Brighton under Potter we'd be pining for them.

Happens all the time, every season in football, players look shit because they have no direction or confidence, I'm surprised people don't realise this when it constantly happens.

 

[Dennism]

kane’s off, why would he hang around for this shit

I am more interested in Spurs than in Harry Kane. We need to act in our best interests rather than his. If we sell him we sell at the best time for us rather than him. Currently prices are deflated so I do not think now is a good time. Additionally with our current problems now is not a good time to attract players with what we receive. He may well be pissed off that he hasn’t won trophies but should take his share of the responsibility. In the really big games and at the crucial moments he has not produced the goods. Against Dynamo Zagreb he missed chances to put us through. Aubameyang is generally not as good as Kane but, when the chips were down, was able to raise his game and win Arsenal the FA Cup.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

He understands that sometimes. But also and sometimes more importantly, we are in a weird limbo place. We don't pay prime salaries for prime players. But – we pay prime salaries for the quality of players that we have. Which means, few of them can move on to a club at a level that befits them on a salary that they get at Tottenham. Case in point Sissoko. He would fit in back at Newcastle or midtable Ligue 1, but he wouldn't expect to fetch the salary he gets at Tottenham.

Who’s fault is it that he’s on that salary in the first place though? Why offer high salaries to mid table players?

 

[Phil-spur99]

Point is they've shown potential and have a relatively high ceiling, we've been an utter shit show for the entirety of the time they've been here so i's only fair to see what they can do to a manager who will play them to their strengths.

24 and 25 aren't old either, it's not as if they're Kane and Son's age, funny you mention Bissouma because he's been developed in a system under a manager who will allow him to play to his strengths, if Lo Celso and Ndombele were playing for Brighton under Potter we'd be pining for them.

Happens all the time, every season in football, players look shit because they have no direction or confidence, I'm surprised people don't realise this when it constantly happens.

I understand your point and don’t disagree but it is also not unfair to expect your “big players” (the so called talented ones) to do things to lift a team, even one low on confidence- such as Fernandes when he went to United (I still don’t accept that they actually all that good despite OLG a making some progress with them) and Grealish last season at Villa.

I think both players are talented but am increasingly of the opinion that they are not right for what we need and neither of them are leaders or players that will pull a side up -both could easily play for City and look fantastic but we are a million miles from that and they need the basic structure and identity to be established, we have none of that since Poch opted for the diamond.

That has to be the new manager’s first job - decide how we want to play and then shape the squad accordingly and I think we’ve fallen so far behind the “loser / bottler”mental baggage is so ingrained in the squad that I wouldn’t say anyone is unsaleable. In Jose’s defence I think he knew we lacked character in dressing room and he tried to get some in like PEH and Hart but it is a shame there just seems to be an feeling amongst the players that they “deserve” trophies with applying themselves game after game.

The concern is who do we trust with the rebuild as the manager and I have no faith in Levy / Hitchen on the recruitment side.

Fergie is still right we still have the same mentality as when he said “lads, it’s Tottenham”. For a few seasons under Poch we lost that but it’s all too familiar again.

 

[punkisback]

Selection was poor today. Too many players up top who want to get on the end of things. Need at least one creator there. Alli, Son and Kane so selfish. Bale open a few times and they opted for the wrong pass or shot. Disgraceful.
Mason needs to stop selecting his mates. He’s got too much of a connection to the playing squad.

 

[spursfan77]

Point is they've shown potential and have a relatively high ceiling, we've been an utter shit show for the entirety of the time they've been here so i's only fair to see what they can do to a manager who will play them to their strengths.

24 and 25 aren't old either, it's not as if they're Kane and Son's age, funny you mention Bissouma because he's been developed in a system under a manager who will allow him to play to his strengths, if Lo Celso and Ndombele were playing for Brighton under Potter we'd be pining for them.

Happens all the time, every season in football, players look shit because they have no direction or confidence, I'm surprised people don't realise this when it constantly happens.

Keep on giving them excuses. I’m guilty of it as anyone but they, winks, Sissoko, dier, Lamela, Aurier have all had more than enough chances. As Poch once said, we aren’t a charity.

I swear no other serious club keeps players as long as we do, giving them repeated turns to fail.

 

[russyj]

After a few hours of contemplation, I'm still disgusted by the total lack of effort.

 

[nedley]

Thought I'd give it a while before commenting on the game.

What a fucking disgrace these players are.

I'm close to not giving a flying fuck who stays or goes...

 

[Shadydan]

I understand your point and don’t disagree but it is also not unfair to expect your “big players” (the so called talented ones) to do things to lift a team, even one low on confidence- such as Fernandes when he went to United (I still don’t accept that they actually all that good despite OLG a making some progress with them) and Grealish last season at Villa.

I think both players are talented but am increasingly of the opinion that they are not right for what we need and neither of them are leaders or players that will pull a side up -both could easily play for City and look fantastic but we are a million miles from that and they need the basic structure and identity to be established, we have none of that since Poch opted for the diamond.

That has to be the new manager’s first job - decide how we want to play and then shape the squad accordingly and I think we’ve fallen so far behind the “loser / bottler”mental baggage is so ingrained in the squad that I wouldn’t say anyone is unsaleable. In Jose’s defence I think he knew we lacked character in dressing room and he tried to get some in like PEH and Hart but it is a shame there just seems to be an feeling amongst the players that they “deserve” trophies with applying themselves game after game.

The concern is who do we trust with the rebuild as the manager and I have no faith in Levy / Hitchen on the recruitment side.

I guess so but then again Fernandes and Grealish are two of the best players in this league and both have super strong mentalities and thus their teams rely so much on them. I wouldn't put either player in that bracket to carry such a burden because they are not those types of players however there are plenty of players who have flourished in this league who you wouldn't say are leaders either.

The leadership has to come from other players just to supplement the talent they have, I look for leadership in the likes of Kane and Hojbjerg so they can provide the platform for these players to show what they are capable of.

We've gone backwards as a club in the last 2 years but it's not because of them so it's unfair to judge them on that basis.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

Reminded me of a game against West Ham at the arse end of the season a few years ago when Paulinio and Adebyor got out of the way of a free kick so uninterested were they.

 

[Phil-spur99]

The players have had a bit of a free pass this season and have been very lucky to have been playing in empty stadiums. I’m generally not in favour of booing players but I don’t think others who pay a fortune to watch games would be as forgiving with the half arsed performances from some of them this season.

 

[noggen]

I'm close to not giving a flying fuck who stays or goes...

Already there mate. Only Kane (maybe Son and Hugo) will make my heart upset if they decide to leave.