Kaboul Pondering Future

[fozzi44]

I'm a little concerned that Ramos is a little risk adverse when playing his youngsters. I was hoping to see more of Kaboul, Taarabt and Gunter. It appears that he is unprepared to take any sort of risk, in case this may back fie. My view is that these three can do worse than Zokora (C.B), Malbranque and O'Hara.

I know it's too early to judge Ramos, but he needs an impressive start next year, or the doubt's will start to multiple at a vast speed of knots.

yeah ur right its too early.

No doubts will be creeping into my mind anyway. Maybe some fickle fans will have doubts - perhaps yourself included.

The fact is you dont win back to back uefas, super cups, copa del reys, carling cups and put a small club like sevilla on the map unless ur a bloody good manager who knows what they are doing.

Aswell i wouldnt want to make our club an even bigger farce by gwetting rid of another manager so fucking soon. :roll:

 

[worcestersauce]

Er, the fact that he's consistently preferred him for some time now?

Kaboul hasn't even been on the bench since we beat Pompey, and last started in the disaster against Brum, for which Dawson was suspended, I seem to recall.

That'll teach him to get caught woofing a burger.

So he's not carrying an injury then?

 

[Kendall]

yeah ur right its too early.

No doubts will be creeping into my mind anyway. Maybe some fickle fans will have doubts - perhaps yourself included.

The fact is you dont win back to back uefas, super cups, copa del reys, carling cups and put a small club like sevilla on the map unless ur a bloody good manager who knows what they are doing.

Aswell i wouldnt want to make our club an even bigger farce by gwetting rid of another manager so fucking soon. :roll:

People are entitled to their opinions and some of Ramos' choices for square pegs in round holes have, imo, been questionable.

The decision to play Chimbonda, O'Hara and even Tainio ahead of Lee and Gilberto has me scratching my head in particular, then there's the CB issue of Zokora being favoured to Kaboul on a number of occasions, and I'm of the opinion that these choices haven't worked. Defeats and draws against 'poorer' teams confirm that.

If it was Martin Jol, he'd be getting hammered for some of these decisions.

 

[Blotto]

People are entitled to their opinions and some of Ramos' choices for square pegs in round holes have, imo, been questionable.

The decision to play Chimbonda, O'Hara and even Tainio ahead of Lee and Gilberto has me scratching my head in particular, then there's the CB issue of Zokora being favoured to Kaboul on a number of occasions, and I'm of the opinion that these choices haven't worked. Defeats and draws against 'poorer' teams confirm that.

If it was Martin Jol, he'd be getting hammered for some of these decisions.

You make a good point, particularly in relation to the varying reactions. The Zoko over Kaboul thing, imo, could be explained by Kabby's fitness troubles (but who knows if that is true). And draws and losses against crap sides reflect badly on the management as well as the players.

It is way too early to tell, but although I trust/love Juande I also recognize that he (like anyone else) is capable of making mistakes.

 

[fozzi44]

People are entitled to their opinions and some of Ramos' choices for square pegs in round holes have, imo, been questionable.

The decision to play Chimbonda, O'Hara and even Tainio ahead of Lee and Gilberto has me scratching my head in particular, then there's the CB issue of Zokora being favoured to Kaboul on a number of occasions, and I'm of the opinion that these choices haven't worked. Defeats and draws against 'poorer' teams confirm that.

If it was Martin Jol, he'd be getting hammered for some of these decisions.

So you have your doubts about Ramos already, thats fair enough, its your opinion after all.

But look at the games he has won us, the tactics against the big teams are spot on. I just get the sense people are already waiting to jump down his neck. Even if we have a disaster next season, i will be happy to have him as manager. All i want is some continuity at the club.

I dont like him playing players at the back out of position either, but there must be clear reasons why he has done this.

Probably the fact that kaboul is injured, is inexperienced and has had his fair share of errors this season.

I am glad lee is not at left back anymore and would definately rather chimbonda there. So would most fans i suspect.

We have had a run of bad results lately, but that is down to the players more than Ramos. We have fuck all to play for, but the players need to put more fuckin effort in.

 

[SpurSince57]

So he's not carrying an injury then?

There was nothing on the official site about an injury. Not that that necessarily means anything, given the official site's brilliant record on keeping us up to date, but I very much doubt that he's been carrying one for seven weeks.

 

[stemark44]

If we can get a decent price for him then I would sell him and the same goes for Boateng,Rocha,Tainio,Chimbonda,Lee,Gardner,Zokora,Robinson,Taraabt or Bent.

 

[There's always next year]

yeah ur right its too early.

No doubts will be creeping into my mind anyway. Maybe some fickle fans will have doubts - perhaps yourself included.

The fact is you dont win back to back uefas, super cups, copa del reys, carling cups and put a small club like sevilla on the map unless ur a bloody good manager who knows what they are doing.

Aswell i wouldnt want to make our club an even bigger farce by gwetting rid of another manager so fucking soon. :roll:

Why associate fickle with my views. Fickle is totally irrelevent with my comment, which begs me to ask, if you really know the purpose and definition of the word.

I clearly stated that in in my own view, Ramos will be under pressure if he fails to have an impressive start to next season. This pressure would be applied to whoever we have as manager, as the expectations of fans and board are massive.

 

[SpurSince57]

So you have your doubts about Ramos already, thats fair enough, its your opinion after all.

But look at the games he has won us, the tactics against the big teams are spot on. I just get the sense people are already waiting to jump down his neck. Even if we have a disaster next season, i will be happy to have him as manager. All i want is some continuity at the club.

I dont like him playing players at the back out of position either, but there must be clear reasons why he has done this.

Probably the fact that kaboul is injured, is inexperienced and has had his fair share of errors this season.

I am glad lee is not at left back anymore and would definately rather chimbonda there. So would most fans i suspect.

We have had a run of bad results lately, but that is down to the players more than Ramos. We have fuck all to play for, but the players need to put more fuckin effort in.

Funnily, when some of us suggested that the players needed to pull their fingers out back in August and September, we were told it was all Jol's fault.

And some of us would rather have Lee than Chimbonda at LB. We've seen more fuck-ups from Chimbonda in a couple of games than Lee ever managed in an entire season.

 

[Kendall]

So you have your doubts about Ramos already, thats fair enough, its your opinion after all.

But look at the games he has won us, the tactics against the big teams are spot on. I just get the sense people are already waiting to jump down his neck. Even if we have a disaster next season, i will be happy to have him as manager. All i want is some continuity at the club.

I dont like him playing players at the back out of position either, but there must be clear reasons why he has done this.

Probably the fact that kaboul is injured, is inexperienced and has had his fair share of errors this season.

I am glad lee is not at left back anymore and would definately rather chimbonda there. So would most fans i suspect.

We have had a run of bad results lately, but that is down to the players more than Ramos. We have fuck all to play for, but the players need to put more fuckin effort in.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have 'doubts' over him as in I doubt he's right for the job, it's just some decisions are questionable and that's all part of the beauty of football discussion, hense why this forum exists.

I do believe he has a lot to prove though, and I'm not one for blind faith, if it was Jol, these decisions would be highlighted more, I mean, for all the fitness coverage, for all the tactical nouse, we're not actually winning are we? nor are we even playing well...

Obviously there's an array of excuses, but it has been 7/8 months since he took over and we don't appear to have made any progress on the playing front, and I am of the opinion that some questionable decisions relating to team lineup are a contributing factor.

 

[Bobishism]

Ramos clearly prefers Dawson. If we sign another CB in the summer, that's Kaboul on his way, I suspect—as long as we can make our money back.

Or he's testing Dawson.

 

[SpurSince57]

I rather think he's had ample time to make up his mind on that score, don't you?

 

[michaelden]

I hope we don't sell him. He will be awesome soon enough. Give him more time. He's better than Daws already!

 

[fozzi44]

Don't get me wrong, I don't have 'doubts' over him as in I doubt he's right for the job, it's just some decisions are questionable and that's all part of the beauty of football discussion, hense why this forum exists.

I do believe he has a lot to prove though, and I'm not one for blind faith, if it was Jol, these decisions would be highlighted more, I mean, for all the fitness coverage, for all the tactical nouse, we're not actually winning are we? nor are we even playing well...

Obviously there's an array of excuses, but it has been 7/8 months since he took over and we don't appear to have made any progress on the playing front, and I am of the opinion that some questionable decisions relating to team lineup are a contributing factor.

I heed your point.

The fact remains he had to come into arguably the most competitive league in the world, and pull us out of 18th place with a bunch of players he didnt know that well and a squad that wasnt his.

In that time he has got us playing good football, put confidence back into the team and got results against the big teams. What more can you possibly ask for or even expect?

If we had played Kaboul et al in position and they continued to fuck up, which they were doing, then he would be getting ridiculed for not dropping those players. He has signed a couple of cracker players in January and hopefully more will follow in the summer.

We have to give him time, which is why i strongly dispute the fact you say "he has a lot to prove". Surely, when considering what we have achieved this season, and when looking at his record with Sevilla there is nothing to prove in terms of whether he is a good manager or not?

Our problem is that we havent been scoring enough goals in the recent games - thats when we need players to step up to the mark.

The reason we are not playing great, more than anything, is because there are obvious weak spots in the team, for me its the midfield. I think it is quite clearly an area that will be getting addressed this summer. I simply dont think it will be possible to get a true idea of what Ramos is all about until he gets more players, stamps this mark on the team, and is with us for at least a season.

SS57 - personally i think Chimbonda is a liability, never really rated Lee that much so left back is kinda a lose lose situation for me. I think we will see more of Gilberto and obviously Bale next season.

 

[Bobishism]

I rather think he's had ample time to make up his mind on that score, don't you?

Yep. But let's not pretend to be mind readers, ehhhhhhhhhh?

 

[SpurSince57]

I don't. I simply look at the team sheet and draw what would seem to be a logical conclusion. We played the Brummies on 1st March. Eight games and seven weeks later, Kaboul's got to sit on the bench once.

 

[pagevee]

Keep for the future please. Would also be suprised if we got rid of him and/or daws. We need 4.5 CDs at the least. Woodgate, New experienced CD, King when fit, Dawson, and Kaboul for the next season. Rocha and Gardner will be the first to go. I just don't think Zokora playing CD would be enough cover with King's status questionable.

Long live the King of White Hart Lane regardless of the rest by-the-way.

 

[SpurSince57]

Keep for the future please. Would also be suprised if we got rid of him and/or daws. We need 4.5 CDs at the least. Woodgate, New experienced CD, King when fit, Dawson, and Kaboul for the next season. Rocha and Gardner will be the first to go. I just don't think Zokora playing CD would be enough cover with King's status questionable.

Long live the King of White Hart Lane regardless of the rest by-the-way.

No. For the first-team squad we need two top-class CBs who will play the majority of games and a couple of able back-ups, at least one of whom should ideally be able to fill in at LB/RB/DM. The only reason we'd need more is if we have the kind of injury problems that have plagued us over the past two seasons. Hopefully, we won't.

In an ideal world our first-choice pairing would be Ledley and Woody. Unfortunately, given the uncertainty over Ledley's future (at least as far as everyone outside the club is concerned) it seems unlikely that's something we'll see too often; it would be a major surprise if we didn't sign a new CB this summer—Garay, Lucio, Jarque, whoever. That's automatically going to demote Kaboul to fifth place. Bear in mind also that we have Dervitte, Archibald-Henville and Mills in the ressies. The Hudd and Zokora (yes, I know!:grin can also fill in if need be.

Ramos has said we can't have a huge squad, and hinted that players are going to have to go to part-fund any new acquisitions. Ideally, we'd hang on to Kaboul, because Jol said he and Comolli decided he would develop into a top-class CB in a couple of seasons. I think they were right. I also think that we don't have the luxury of allowing that to happen, and need to cash in on an asset.

 

[Kendall]

I heed your point.

The fact remains he had to come into arguably the most competitive league in the world, and pull us out of 18th place with a bunch of players he didnt know that well and a squad that wasnt his.

In that time he has got us playing good football, put confidence back into the team and got results against the big teams. What more can you possibly ask for or even expect?

If we had played Kaboul et al in position and they continued to fuck up, which they were doing, then he would be getting ridiculed for not dropping those players. He has signed a couple of cracker players in January and hopefully more will follow in the summer.

We have to give him time, which is why i strongly dispute the fact you say "he has a lot to prove". Surely, when considering what we have achieved this season, and when looking at his record with Sevilla there is nothing to prove in terms of whether he is a good manager or not?

Our problem is that we havent been scoring enough goals in the recent games - thats when we need players to step up to the mark.

The reason we are not playing great, more than anything, is because there are obvious weak spots in the team, for me its the midfield. I think it is quite clearly an area that will be getting addressed this summer. I simply dont think it will be possible to get a true idea of what Ramos is all about until he gets more players, stamps this mark on the team, and is with us for at least a season.

SS57 - personally i think Chimbonda is a liability, never really rated Lee that much so left back is kinda a lose lose situation for me. I think we will see more of Gilberto and obviously Bale next season.

I think he's proven he can be a good coach, but hey, so did Souness and Dalgliesh once upon a time.

the Prem is a different challenge for Juande and his CV certainly fits the bill, but my opinion is that some of his decisions have hindered us. I disagree that we haven't scored enough, it's our inability to keep a lead and grind out a win that's been the problem, one not helped by square pegs in round holes at the back imo.

 

[guy]

I don't. I simply look at the team sheet and draw what would seem to be a logical conclusion. We played the Brummies on 1st March. Eight games and seven weeks later, Kaboul's got to sit on the bench once.

A possible explanation for this could be the same reason we havent seen taarabt or boateng for the last couple of months. Ramos might have decided these guys have had enough game time for a first season in a foreign league, and not to risk them making more mistakes/being more disheartened/losing confidence. Its a possibility in a weird kinda way??:shrug: