James Mclean............

[Stavrogin]

As far as I'm concerned the noble aspect of wearing a poppy is remembering those who died defending freedom, freedom of choice and expression. That freedom extends to James Maclean who is exercising his freedom, and considering we have also committed (and currently are committing) military atrocities around the world then I can understand his reasons.

The whole Poppy thing is far too 'them and us', I can understand why someone would choose to wear one, and also why they would choose not to wear one, but the demonisation of those who don't wear one is ridiculous, and undermines the whole concept of wearing one in the first place.

The debate on remembrance day should be about the futility and madness of war, who war profits and serves, and how we can rid the world of this madness, not this.

But then, the increasing militant veneration of all things military has another purpose. In one sense it's designed to be 'them and us'.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I couldn't give a fuck what you think!

But you're right james McLean clearly does have a choice and he exercised it in the same way that I have a choice to call him a hypocrite and a **** for living in this country and earning his living here. If you're so anti British as he clearly is then imho it's total hypocricy to ply his trade on these shores.

Mclean was embarrassed yesterday by the Argentine trio at City who have far more of a reason to object than that stupid **** will ever have and whatever their inner feelings may be they represented their club and themselves with the utmost dignity.

Not to even mention the fact that there were changes to rememberance services following 9/11 to make non military victims more inclusive in their memories as well, something that the Irish churches alongside their British counterparts and the British legion prepared and developed together. This includes innocent victims on both sides from the conflicts in Northern Ireland and the South as well. Stupid ignorant **** probably has no idea of this and doesn't even know that his so called own people are included in the rememberance.

Wow.

I suspect our fallen brethren would be delighted to see people using the freedoms that they fought for in such an eloquent fashion.

Bravo sir...bravo.

 

[Legend10]

Wow.

I suspect our fallen brethren would be delighted to see people using the freedoms that they fought for in such an eloquent fashion.

Bravo sir...bravo.

Thank you,

and you are also clearly as ignorant as he when it comes to changes that have been made in recent years, hardly surprising as preachers such as you usually are just that, ignorant.

 

[Pete Spur]

he needs knee capped for this

 

[ShelfSide18]

he needs knee capped for this

Cheers for that.

 

[Pete Spur]

Cheers for that.

no problem, I'm always down for alittle political or religious violence

 

[talkshowhost86]

Thank you,

and you are also clearly as ignorant as he when it comes to changes that have been made in recent years, hardly surprising as preachers such as you usually are just that, ignorant.

Why am I 'clearly ignorant' just because I disagree with you?

Isn't that a bit fascistic of you Legend 10?

Are you sure you've been supporting the right soldiers?

 

[Legend10]

Why am I 'clearly ignorant' just because I disagree with you?

Isn't that a bit fascistic of you Legend 10?

Are you sure you've been supporting the right soldiers?

Nothing to do with disagreeing with me, more to do with your ignorance in your opening salvo that in this day and age the poppy is only associated with soldiers who have died in wars.

It clearly now extends beyond this to include victims be they military or civilian including acts outside of conflict, but you're still singing the same old song about fallen brethen for freedom of speach when the modern day poppy and rememberance service travels far beyond that.

However James mcleans motives are clearly an anti British stance which to me shows complete hypocrisy to then choose to live on our shores, if you disagree so be it.

 

[dontcallme]

Can anybody tell us what Mclean has actually said?

 

[riggi]

Who gives a fuck. People who moan and bitch about things like this and the poppy burning are just feeding it.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Nothing to do with disagreeing with me, more to do with your ignorance in your opening salvo that in this day and age the poppy is only associated with soldiers who have died in wars.

It clearly now extends beyond this to include victims be they military or civilian including acts outside of conflict, but you're still singing the same old song about fallen brethen for freedom of speach when the modern day poppy and rememberance service travels far beyond that.

However James mcleans motives are clearly an anti British stance which to me shows complete hypocrisy to then choose to live on our shores, if you disagree so be it.

I do. I massively do. And that's because your view is so rooted in the sort of nationalism that the Daily Mail loves that it's completely ridiculous.

Nothing you've said above about what the poppy means changes James McLean's right to choose whether or not to wear the poppy. That really is the end of it.

 

[King of Otters]

I do. I massively do. And that's because your view is so rooted in the sort of nationalism that the Daily Mail loves that it's completely ridiculous.

Nothing you've said above about what the poppy means changes James McLean's right to choose whether or not to wear the poppy. That really is the end of it.

Is it nationalistic to be annoyed that people in Great Britain find the idea of respecting our war dead so abhorrent that they positively refuse to wear a poppy? Or is it, in fact, just plain patriotism. As I'm sure you're aware, there's a big difference between the two concepts.

 

[Legend10]

I do. I massively do. And that's because your view is so rooted in the sort of nationalism that the Daily Mail loves that it's completely ridiculous.

Nothing you've said above about what the poppy means changes James McLean's right to choose whether or not to wear the poppy. That really is the end of it.

Lol, nationalism and myself? Something else you've got just a tad wrong there!

 

[talkshowhost86]

Lol, nationalism and myself? Something else you've got just a tad wrong there!

Are you saying you don't love this country? Well if that's the case why don't you just get off our land?

 

[talkshowhost86]

Is it nationalistic to be annoyed that people in Great Britain find the idea of respecting our war dead so abhorrent that they positively refuse to wear a poppy? Or is it, in fact, just plain patriotism. As I'm sure you're aware, there's a big difference between the two concepts.

It's certainly more than verging on the nationalistic when you follow up those comments with the sort of bigoted 'why don't you get out of our country' nonsense that Legend 10 is spouting.

 

[Legend10]

It's certainly more than verging on the nationalistic when you follow up those comments with the sort of bigoted 'why don't you get out of our country' nonsense that Legend 10 is spouting.

Bollocks, if you don't believe there is hypocrisy in Mclean then that's down to you and you clearly don't understand the poppy and rememberance day yourself anyway, too busy preaching through your endless level of self worth to consider what it really means these days.

And I must remember to ask my Russian wife who brings her culture to our home here to forgive my over powering nationalist attitude that she has to live with.

 

[Legend10]

Are you saying you don't love this country? Well if that's the case why don't you just get off our land?

So you don't know what nationalism means either then?

 

[nidge]

Politics and sport don't mix!

Tell that to Tommie Smith and John Carlos.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Bollocks, if you don't believe there is hypocrisy in Mclean then that's down to you and you clearly don't understand the poppy and rememberance day yourself anyway, too busy preaching through your endless level of self worth to consider what it really means these days.

And I must remember to ask my Russian wife who brings her culture to our home here to forgive my over powering nationalist attitude that she has to live with.

1. Yes it is down to me
2. No it's not down to my lack of understanding
3. You claim you know what nationalism is but reckon that having a wife means you can't be nationalistic? Tremendous stuff.
4. It's his choice whether to wear the poppy. Not yours. Not the Daily Mail's. His. And that's because we have the freedom to choose. Again...that really is the beginning and the end of it.

 

[Legend10]

1. Yes it is down to me
2. No it's not down to my lack of understanding
3. You claim you know what nationalism is but reckon that having a wife means you can't be nationalistic? Tremendous stuff.
4. It's his choice whether to wear the poppy. Not yours. Not the Daily Mail's. His. And that's because we have the freedom to choose. Again...that really is the beginning and the end of it.

1, yes it is
2, yes it is
3, despite the height of your pedestal you clearly have no idea what it means
4, yes it is and it's my right to have a view on it whether you like it or not