James Mclean............

[tototoner]

http://www.derryjournal.com/news/local/mcclean-victim-of-poppy-bullying-culture-mccartney-1-4467845

indeed, " poppy bullying " sums it up perfectly for me

 

[class of 62]

http://www.derryjournal.com/news/local/mcclean-victim-of-poppy-bullying-culture-mccartney-1-4467845

not the most independant of statements quoted coming from a person who was with mcguiness on bloody sunday,a member of the provo's, and convicted of murder twice.

 

[nightgoat]

james mcclean is a high profile young man who has it in him to influence the views of his piers in a still troubled part of the world through via violent sectarianism!..the simple act of wearing a poppy on a day when we remember those would have said far more of a the person he represents then the unwillingness not to wear one
ffs why would you be willing to excersise your right to freedom of speech/act against those who gave it to you.

So I'll take that as he hasn't said anything himself about it then? Which means you're just deciding that he is spouting shite simply because his stance is different from yours.

Would you like to see the wearing of a poppy made compulsory?

 

[dontcallme]

not the most independant of statements quoted coming from a person who was with mcguiness on bloody sunday,a member of the provo's, and convicted of murder twice.

So you think if a BBC presenter doesn't want to wear a poppy they shouldn't be allowed on air?

If a footballer doesn't want to commemorate something for whatever reason they should be forced to? Or maybe being sent death threats is a suitable punishment.

I don't care who said it. I agree with the point. I didn't wear a poppy yesterday. No political reason objection I just didn't. I don't see why anyone should be forced to do something like that.

 

[Paolo10]

James McClean is a stupid wee ****.

 

[ShelfSide18]

As far as I'm concerned the noble aspect of wearing a poppy is remembering those who died defending freedom, freedom of choice and expression. That freedom extends to James Maclean who is exercising his freedom, and considering we have also committed (and currently are committing) military atrocities around the world then I can understand his reasons.

The whole Poppy thing is far too 'them and us', I can understand why someone would choose to wear one, and also why they would choose not to wear one, but the demonisation of those who don't wear one is ridiculous, and undermines the whole concept of wearing one in the first place.

The debate on remembrance day should be about the futility and madness of war, who war profits and serves, and how we can rid the world of this madness, not this.

 

[nightgoat]

The debate on remembrance day should be about the futility and madness of war, who war profits and serves, and how we can rid the world of this madness, not this.

How to Rid the World of Madness;

Step 1. Don't castigate someone for not wearing a poppy.
Step 2. Hide Suggs' sunglasses.

 

[Paolo10]

His not wearing one is not a statement about free choice or anything like that though, it's about politicising the issue from a republican stance yet again.

Lots of Irishmen from both sides died serving in the British army, James McClean is always playing up to the political divide in NI, he should take a leaf out of Martin O'Neill's book, but he won't as he just doesn't have the same class. 'Controversial' James just can't keep his big stupid fucking mouth shut to be honest.

 

[class of 62]

So I'll take that as he hasn't said anything himself about it then? Which means you're just deciding that he is spouting shite simply because his stance is different from yours.


Would you like to see the wearing of a poppy made compulsory?

its not question of compulsory!..those in a position of influence such as tv presenters shoudn't have to be made to wear a poppy, in there own sense of position it shouldn't be an issue at all & it shouldnt be a second thought on 11th of nov.
the poppy is after all a symbol of peaceful reflection of those who gave there lives.
i can accept the normal person not wearing a poppy & havn't got a problem with it at all .

as for james mcclean his views without him saying anything on the subject are well known & his support of of irish republicanism are not mine.. what i am saying his ignorance which is what it is of the past & his ill educated comments before this have made him a twat!.. the small inconveinience of wearing a poppy on his work attire for one game would have gone along way to mending the gap previous actions have caused.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Roger Federer is playing in an individual sport and doesn't make his living here or live here and there would be no reason for him to wear a poppy on his shirt, however it's obvious that Federer is a class guy and wouldn't mean disrespect, Mclean on the other hand has proved himself on a number of occasions to be a classless piece of shit!

Football has a closer connection with the cause and the Premier League is our major sporting league and they take the decision for clubs to wear poppies on their shirts for one weekend a season. Mclean made a personal decision to wear a shirt without one, therefore why be a hypicritcal **** and live here and earn your money here, just fuck off back to under the stone you crawled out from.

What a load of nonsense.

As others have pointed out, many of the people we remember died trying to defend the freedoms that we are lucky enough to be able to enjoy.

I choose to wear a poppy because I personally think it's the right thing to do, but if James McLean thinks otherwise then that's entirely his choice.

When you think what so many of those soldiers were fighting against, it's quite ironic that the poppy is 'defended' with such bristling nationalism from some people. I think you should get your own house in order before you start labelling anyone else a hypocrite.

 

[ethanedwards]

as someone of irish parents who served this country (2 tours of the province included) i need no intruduction to the irish stance yet to say many tens of thousands of irishmen both catholic & protestant from both sides of the border volunteered & died in wars fighting for the right for a twat like mcclean to spout his shite!...its those who's memories he's demeaning by refusing to wear a poopy ...he should also be wearing a poppy for all the innocent people killed in his province by terrorists from both sides. quoting bloody sunday as his excuse is chickenshit!.


as of yet i'm unsure if any swiss people volunteeered on either side during european conflicts.

I refuse to wear a poppy, served 22 years myself, it made me physically sick to watch politicans like Blair & co at the Cenotaph.
The significace of wearing a poppy has been politicised and demeaned, it's also been treated as a fashion accesory by celebs on the BBC.

 

[nightgoat]

its not question of compulsory!..those in a position of influence such as tv presenters shoudn't have to be made to wear a poppy, in there own sense of position it shouldn't be an issue at all & it shouldnt be a second thought on 11th of nov.
the poppy is after all a symbol of peaceful reflection of those who gave there lives.
i can accept the normal person not wearing a poppy & havn't got a problem with it at all .

as for james mcclean his views without him saying anything on the subject are well known & his support of of irish republicanism are not mine.. what i am saying his ignorance which is what it is of the past & his ill educated comments before this have made him a twat!.. the small inconveinience of wearing a poppy on his work attire for one game would have gone along way to mending the gap previous actions have caused.

So if you agree it should not be made compulsory for those in positions of elevated public visibility to wear a poppy, then surely someone who decides they do not want to wear a poppy should not have to? Otherwise they would be having an opposing view to their own forced upon them.

 

[class of 62]

So you think if a BBC presenter doesn't want to wear a poppy they shouldn't be allowed on air?

If a footballer doesn't want to commemorate something for whatever reason they should be forced to? Or maybe being sent death threats is a suitable punishment.

I don't care who said it. I agree with the point. I didn't wear a poppy yesterday. No political reason objection I just didn't. I don't see why anyone should be forced to do something like that.

So you think if a BBC presenter doesn't want to wear a poppy they shouldn't be allowed on air?

If a footballer doesn't want to commemorate something for whatever reason they should be forced to? Or maybe being sent death threats is a suitable punishment.

I don't care who said it. I agree with the point. I didn't wear a poppy yesterday. No political reason objection I just didn't. I don't see why anyone should be forced to do something like that.

could you show me where you got that about the bbc presenters not being allowed on air without a poppy!i actually didnt know that & thought it was vice versa (banned from wearing poppies)on the bbc world news.

 

[dontcallme]

could you show me where you got that about the bbc presenters not being allowed on air without a poppy!i actually didnt know that & thought it was vice versa (banned from wearing poppies)on the bbc world news.

From the article I shared. If it's incorrect then I apologise for being misinformed.

“The BBC has been guilty of corporate ‘poppy bullying’ by refusing to allow presenters who choose not to wear a poppy at this time of year to appear on screen. This is shameful."

 

[class of 62]

So if you agree it should not be made compulsory for those in positions of elevated public visibility to wear a poppy, then surely someone who decides they do not want to wear a poppy should not have to? Otherwise they would be having an opposing view to their own forced upon them.

what i said was in there own sense of position it shouldnt be an issue at all and shouldnt be a second thought on the 11th of nov!.
thats a day set aside by the country for remembrance & in the the light of there elevated visibilty as you put it & as i said shouldnt be a second thought .

 

[class of 62]

From the article I shared. If it's incorrect then I apologise for being misinformed.

“The BBC has been guilty of corporate ‘poppy bullying’ by refusing to allow presenters who choose not to wear a poppy at this time of year to appear on screen. This is shameful."

can you sustantiate or find anywhere the bbc bosse's have ordered this as fact!!...
sorry edit!..i'm not a member of any social media (twitter etc) so would be unaware if it came from
something like that,thanks

 

[nightgoat]

what i said was in there own sense of position it shouldnt be an issue at all and shouldnt be a second thought on the 11th of nov!.
thats a day set aside by the country for remembrance & in the the light of there elevated visibilty as you put it & as i said shouldnt be a second thought .

It shouldn't be an issue whether someone wears one or not, regardless of whether they play football, present television programs or whatever.

 

[dav3j]

Difficult issue.

He obviously shouldn't be made to wear a poppy, no-one should. However as someone very much in the public's gaze, he can't expect it to pass unnoticed or not attract a significant amount of criticism from those in favour of it. By the sounds of it he has also been pretty vocal with his Republican sentiments before, and I find it hard to agree with anyone who's backed up by those 4-star words from Sinn Fein.

I'm inclined to agree with Voltaire in this case, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", anything contrary to this really does detract from what British soldiers were fighting for, in particular, during WWII.

 

[stevenurse]

Yesterday i spent the whole day laying on sofa in my pants, and why? Because those heroes of years gone by fought for my right to. Just like they fought for my right to party.

God bless all the past and currently serving members of the armed forces.

 

[Legend10]

What a load of nonsense.

As others have pointed out, many of the people we remember died trying to defend the freedoms that we are lucky enough to be able to enjoy.

I choose to wear a poppy because I personally think it's the right thing to do, but if James McLean thinks otherwise then that's entirely his choice.

When you think what so many of those soldiers were fighting against, it's quite ironic that the poppy is 'defended' with such bristling nationalism from some people. I think you should get your own house in order before you start labelling anyone else a hypocrite.

I couldn't give a fuck what you think!

But you're right james McLean clearly does have a choice and he exercised it in the same way that I have a choice to call him a hypocrite and a **** for living in this country and earning his living here. If you're so anti British as he clearly is then imho it's total hypocricy to ply his trade on these shores.

Mclean was embarrassed yesterday by the Argentine trio at City who have far more of a reason to object than that stupid **** will ever have and whatever their inner feelings may be they represented their club and themselves with the utmost dignity.

Not to even mention the fact that there were changes to rememberance services following 9/11 to make non military victims more inclusive in their memories as well, something that the Irish churches alongside their British counterparts and the British legion prepared and developed together. This includes innocent victims on both sides from the conflicts in Northern Ireland and the South as well. Stupid ignorant **** probably has no idea of this and doesn't even know that his so called own people are included in the rememberance.