James Mclean............
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I disagree with this slighty, positive things have happened in society because some athletes have taken a stand but if you are just going to be negative and make a case for yourself whats the point
I agree with this though
Issue I have with McLean is the comments he made about catholic people in northern ireland was so ignorant it was unbelievable and there was no need for it he and if he felt so strongly about it he shouldn't of played for northern ireland in the first place instead of using them to progress his career. Fair enough he did get death threats but he just added fuel to the fire but most of my irish friends agree that its not helping both countries move forward by saying things like that
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Good on you James Mclean, whatever your reasons, for having the spine to opt out of a totally nonmandatory custom which some people are using as a vehicle for their intolerance. Personally, I choose not to wear a poppy because it seems clear all the other people who've died were just as worthy as the ones who died fighting, so the import of me wearing one would be to revere and reify war itself. Whatever my choice or James Mclean's, it seems likely that those who died fighting would have hoped it was for freedom to choose what symbols to wear or not.
karennina
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It's pretty obvious that his choice doesn't express hatred for this country. You just made that up.
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nightgoat
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Roger Federer didn't have a poppy on his shirt tonight, either. Should we ban him from entering the country in future? If James McLean did not want to have a poppy on his shirt for whatever reason, then that is his decision. Surely one of the many small freedoms secured by those who fought in the World Wars is the freedom to decide whether to opt in or out of a public commemoration.
The reaction to this of course will be as if he'd jumped up and down on the spot shouting during the minutes silence.
The reaction to this of course will be as if he'd jumped up and down on the spot shouting during the minutes silence.
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Roger Federer is playing in an individual sport and doesn't make his living here or live here and there would be no reason for him to wear a poppy on his shirt, however it's obvious that Federer is a class guy and wouldn't mean disrespect, Mclean on the other hand has proved himself on a number of occasions to be a classless piece of shit!
Football has a closer connection with the cause and the Premier League is our major sporting league and they take the decision for clubs to wear poppies on their shirts for one weekend a season. Mclean made a personal decision to wear a shirt without one, therefore why be a hypicritcal **** and live here and earn your money here, just fuck off back to under the stone you crawled out from.
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So what? I've never worn a poppy and never intend to.
Personally, I feel if we're going to give so much respect to the heroes of our military past, we should be giving at least an equal amount to the atrocities of our military past. Until that happens, I won't wear it.
Personally, I feel if we're going to give so much respect to the heroes of our military past, we should be giving at least an equal amount to the atrocities of our military past. Until that happens, I won't wear it.
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federer is swiss!...switzerland have never had a war thus no war dead to grieve...they remained nuetral throughout the 2nd world war (alledgedly).
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Exactly and the same goes for me.
James was born and brought up on the Creggan Estate in Derry City, yards from where the British Army murdered 14 civilians , if he had worn a poppy I doubt he would have been welcomed back.
And as for these people trying to forced people to wear a poppy, you obviously don't realise that the World Wars were fought to give the people of this country freedom of choice, not to shove your own myopic views down others throats.
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Aside from the poppy debate.......James McClean is a very overrated footballer. Overrated by Sunderland fans but mostly just overrated in his own head.
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1. What does it matter whether you play a team sport or an individual sport? If you want to wear a poppy, wear one. If you don't want to, don't.
2. He doesn't live here, no. But over the last week and including tonight he has been plying his trade here and a large portion of his up to $1,630,000 prize money will be taken by our taxman.
3. Andy Murray wore a poppy, and whilst his residence is in this country, he spends as much or as little time doing his job on British shores as Roger Federer does.
4. Whatever football's connection with the Royal British Legion, it doesn't mean anyone who doesn't want to wear a poppy should have to do so. As far as I am aware, it is not enforced by the Premier League as this was the first year that all Premier League clubs have had poppies on their shirts.
5. What is your opinion of non-footballers who live in Britain and don't wear a poppy? Are they all hypocrites too?
6. Do you know what his reason for not wearing a poppy was? Has he even given a public explanation? Do you not see that actually it would be far more hypocritical to observe the memory of those who died fighting for the freedom of the people of Britain and other countries by forcing people to wear an emblem regardless of their own personal feelings on doing so?
Remind me of Ireland's stance in World War II. Here's a clue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality
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as someone of irish parents who served this country (2 tours of the province included) i need no intruduction to the irish stance yet to say many tens of thousands of irishmen both catholic & protestant from both sides of the border volunteered & died in wars fighting for the right for a twat like mcclean to spout his shite!...its those who's memories he's demeaning by refusing to wear a poopy ...he should also be wearing a poppy for all the innocent people killed in his province by terrorists from both sides. quoting bloody sunday as his excuse is chickenshit!.
as of yet i'm unsure if any swiss people volunteeered on either side during european conflicts.
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Has McClean himself said anything regarding his decision? All I've seen is Sunderland's official statement on the matter. What "shite" has he spouted on the matter?
As has already been said several times in this thread, those who died did so to preserve people's freedom, and that includes the freedom to decide whether to wear a poppy or not.
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james mcclean is a high profile young man who has it in him to influence the views of his piers in a still troubled part of the world through via violent sectarianism!..the simple act of wearing a poppy on a day when we remember those would have said far more of a the person he represents then the unwillingness not to wear one
ffs why would you be willing to excersise your right to freedom of speech/act against those who gave it to you.
