How good is this squad?

[van_Pommel]

Something I've been thinking about in our current state of pants. How much of this is down to Sherwood, Levy, AVB, and the shambles that this season has been, and how much is down to the fact that the quality of the squad is actually somewhere between 5th and 8th place in the league?

How far do you think Mourinho (for example) could get this squad?

 

[DaSpurs]

Something I've been thinking about in our current state of pants. How much of this is down to Sherwood, Levy, AVB, and the shambles that this season has been, and how much is down to the fact that the quality of the squad is actually somewhere between 5th and 8th place in the league?

How far do you think Mourinho (for example) could get this squad?

The squad is unbalanced, and we're at the decent position where we are down solely to individual quality. Mourinho, for example, would not have allowed us to enter this season with such an unbalanced squad, so while your question is fair it's a hard one or even impossible to answer because the subject is fundamentally flawed.

 

[djee]

I think one of the most incredible features of the last two seasons is how we have made top, international players look so unbelievably average!

We have some amazing talents but they have been played out of position or forced to conform to a style of football they are unfamiliar with. Overall, there is no cohesiveness or particular 'brand of football' which means that our players appear utterly clueless.

Although we have a tendency to perhaps overrate our own, there is no way a Spurs side should be consistently embarrassed as they have this year.

 

[Blake Griffin]

overrated. should be doing better than everton, shouldn't be doing better than utd. 6th is where i predicted at the start of the season and 6th is where we are. lloris, eriksen and ade quality. vertonghen when he can be bothered, lamela if given the chance. a few promising players, a few decent ones and a lot of average.

 

[nicdic]

Why is Mourinho being named as though some super manager? The guy should have walked the league this season with the money available and squad assembled.

 

[Monkey boy]

I think one of the most incredible features of the last two seasons is how we have made top, international players look so unbelievably average!

We have some amazingly talents but they have been played out of position or forced to conform to a style of football they are unfamiliar with. Overall, there is no cohesiveness or particular 'brand of football' which means that our players appear utterly clueless.

Although we have a tendency to perhaps overrate our own, there is no way a Spurs side should be consistently embarrassed as they have this year.

Would you care to name these amazing talents that we have on our books?

Soldado - Never suited to the EPL
Lamela - Is he even alive?
Paulinho - Never for one second believed he would pull up any trees in the EPL
Eriksen - in time maybe he will become an amazing talent but clearly has a long way to go.
Vertonghen - Doesn't want to be here. How quickly his attitude has changed from the guy who was desperate to sign for us and us only.

I totally agree with you on the there is no way we should be constantly embarrassed like we have, not even the Cardiffs, Norwich and West Broms of the league have had their pants pulled down as often as we have this season, its an utter disgrace.

 

[DaSpurs]

overrated. should be doing better than everton, shouldn't be doing better than utd. 6th is where i predicted at the start of the season and 6th is where we are. lloris, eriksen and ade quality. vertonghen when he can be bothered, lamela if given the chance. a few promising players, a few decent ones and a lot of average.

Disagree. Even with our unbalance and lack of passion we had a better squad going into this season. I know it's difficult to get past the tinted glasses Man U has placed by 20+ years of success, but their squad hasn't been top material for a few years now. Just speaks to the Fergie factor that they won the league last year.

 

[WiganSpur]

Something I've been thinking about in our current state of pants. How much of this is down to Sherwood, Levy, AVB, and the shambles that this season has been, and how much is down to the fact that the quality of the squad is actually somewhere between 5th and 8th place in the league?

How far do you think Mourinho (for example) could get this squad?

Our squad would be perfect for Mourinho. We could play a system very similar to Chelsea's. Apart from left back and possibly a deep lying playmaker it's a very good squad that just needs the right manager to really get the players respect, motivate them and show some evidence of organisation and tactical knowledge.

 

[spursbri111]

Would you care to name these amazing talents that we have on our books?

Soldado - Never suited to the EPL
Lamela - Is he even alive?
Paulinho - Never for one second believed he would pull up any trees in the EPL
Eriksen - in time maybe he will become an amazing talent but clearly has a long way to go.
Vertonghen - Doesn't want to be here. How quickly his attitude has changed from the guy who was desperate to sign for us and us only.

I totally agree with you on the there is no way we should be constantly embarrassed like we have, not even the Cardiffs, Norwich and West Broms of the league have had their pants pulled down as often as we have this season, its an utter disgrace.

slodado can be great but team needs to play to his strengths. unfortunatley lumping the ball to him on the halfway aint it.
Lamela - last seen riding shergar in the bermuda triangle
paulinio - plays like every games a friendly
Eriksen - best buy out of a dodgy lot
chadlli - another season and he come good
Vertongen - never want to see him in a spurs shirt again. lack of skill is on thing,lack of effort and hiding when things get hard is unforgivable

 

[van_Pommel]

Why is Mourinho being named as though some super manager? The guy should have walked the league this season with the money available and squad assembled.

I cannot agree with that. City were the favourites, and still are. They have more depth to their squad and importantly, top strikers. Mourinho is a great manager, like it or not. The way he effects games with his touchline orders and subs is great to watch.

I'm not saying he's the best or anything though. I used him as an example because he tends to take less time to get a team playing his way.

 

[Montasura]

Would you care to name these amazing talents that we have on our books?

Soldado - Never suited to the EPL
Lamela - Is he even alive?
Paulinho - Never for one second believed he would pull up any trees in the EPL
Eriksen - in time maybe he will become an amazing talent but clearly has a long way to go.
Vertonghen - Doesn't want to be here. How quickly his attitude has changed from the guy who was desperate to sign for us and us only.

I totally agree with you on the there is no way we should be constantly embarrassed like we have, not even the Cardiffs, Norwich and West Broms of the league have had their pants pulled down as often as we have this season, its an utter disgrace.

Ah yes, the wonderful benefit of hindsight eh?

Makes it nice and easy to spout bollocks like how Soldado was never suited to the EPL and how you just knew Paulinho wouldn't pull up any trees.

At the end of the day you had opinions. There was absolutely nothing to suggest that these players wouldn't have become world beaters either. Our fans, other team's fans, pundits, managers, everybody was saying that we had bought some excellent players and spent very wisely. Everybody expected big things.

Personally I still think some of the players will come good, perhaps exceptionally good, but we have been undone by a collection of problems this season and no one person is to blame.

And to answer the OP's question, we have a fairly good group of talented individual players who simply have not been able to gel together and play as a squad (for several reasons IMO).

 

[MarkyP]

very good squad. heaps of potential and talent. just being mis-managed and have no confidence at the moment. Players being asked to play out of position, and a different starting line up each week.. it's slightly unbalanced in parts, especially in the full back areas.. but all in all, the core squad of players we have, could be great given time and the correct guidence and coaching.

I would imagine Van Gaal would be rubbing his hands together at the prospect of taking this group of talented players, stamping his philosophy, style on them .. and actually creating a team out of them..

irritates me the way a lot of reporters and pundits are saying we "blew" the "Bale money". When we signed them.... those same journalists and pundits were raving about them, and the squad we were assembeling. They haven't become bad players in 6 months..

 

[Dharmabum]

The squad is good enough for a top-4 spot talent wise. As a team, well that depends on the manager/head coach.

 

[Chris12]

Talent-wise very good... Mental-wise very weak

A top manager would've done a lot better with this squad, better squad than Man Utd, Everton, Arsenal and I still reckon better than Liverpool's squad as a whole

 

[Blake Griffin]

Ah yes, the wonderful benefit of hindsight eh?

Makes it nice and easy to spout bollocks like how Soldado was never suited to the EPL and how you just knew Paulinho wouldn't pull up any trees.

some of us didn't need the benefit of hindsight, just sayin'

a lot of these players just aren't good enough and should be shipped out to make way for some who are. you can keep hanging your hat on soldado, paulinho and the like but they're not going to get us to where we want to be.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Good squad, not as good as the one we had 2 seasons ago naturally. That was a squad good enough to get top 4, this one isn't. Shouldn't be that surprising really. However I don't think the quality of the squad matters a jot, they're all having to play for an absolute clusterfuck of a club, with a hopeless lunatic of an interim manager.

 

[DaSpurs]

Ah yes, the wonderful benefit of hindsight eh?

Makes it nice and easy to spout bollocks like how Soldado was never suited to the EPL and how you just knew Paulinho wouldn't pull up any trees.

At the end of the day you had opinions. There was absolutely nothing to suggest that these players wouldn't have become world beaters either. Our fans, other team's fans, pundits, managers, everybody was saying that we had bought some excellent players and spent very wisely. Everybody expected big things.

Personally I still think some of the players will come good, perhaps exceptionally good, but we have been undone by a collection of problems this season and no one person is to blame.

And to answer the OP's question, we have a fairly good group of talented individual players who simply have not been able to gel together and play as a squad (for several reasons IMO).

Not everyone had a hard-on for each of these players and what they'd do for the squad. There were some who rightly questioned that we had left some gaping holes in the squad while prioritizing a PR stunt with the impending Bale sale. Point is, I believe in a different hierarchical situation (whether it be chairman, manager, or director) some of these purchases would not have been made in lieu of more appropriate purchases.

 

[DaSpurs]

some of us didn't need the benefit of hindsight, just sayin'

Agreed. Somewhere amidst the eCircle jerk that was the reaction to the Lamela rumors, there were those trying to caution people for the buys at hand and what had yet to be addressed. I'm willing to assume the people in full meltdown mode at the moment are the ones who were taking part in the aforementioned circle jerk

 

[Monkey boy]

Ah yes, the wonderful benefit of hindsight eh?

Makes it nice and easy to spout bollocks like how Soldado was never suited to the EPL and how you just knew Paulinho wouldn't pull up any trees.

At the end of the day you had opinions. There was absolutely nothing to suggest that these players wouldn't have become world beaters either. Our fans, other team's fans, pundits, managers, everybody was saying that we had bought some excellent players and spent very wisely. Everybody expected big things.

Personally I still think some of the players will come good, perhaps exceptionally good, but we have been undone by a collection of problems this season and no one person is to blame.

And to answer the OP's question, we have a fairly good group of talented individual players who simply have not been able to gel together and play as a squad (for several reasons IMO).

Not hindsight at all, look back through my posts from when we signed these guys and I had been saying the same things all along (as were other people @Blake Griffin etc. and we all got bashed 9 ways from sunday about it) Doesn't mean I am happy that its proving to be the case. I was merely asking the question of who are these amazing talents that we supposedly have on our books because I cant see any. There are some good players Eriksen, Sandro, Walker for instance and one very good player in Lloris but the rest in my opinion (which obviously im not entitled to by the sounds of things) are bang average.

 

[CosmicHotspur]

Individually, pretty good overall.

As a team, desperately needing a manager who knows how to make them into one. I like(d) Tim but am having to admit he isn't the answer which is a shame as he values bringing through young talent and I hope his replacement will feel the same.