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[King of Otters]

Isco?

But this is a faulty argument anyway. I'm not a football scout so it's not my business to know the value and relative quality of all the feasibly available players in the world. I'm sure there are some football geeks on here who could provide a few realistic names.

 

[Shadydan]

It's not just that though: Hazard himself said he might have come to us if we'd made the Champions League. Hell, he might still have been tempted by the extra dosh at Chelsea but we'd have had more of a chance.

That's not the point though, okay yes we may luck out at times and pick up gems (see Berbatov, Modric) and maybe Hazard could have come to Spurs had the situation been different but the truth is that we are always gonna be on the periphery of these top teams because they pay the money which allows them to consistently buy good players. I'm not talking about young up and comers, I'm talking about players who are or close to world class standard who can make a difference.

For the money we pay, we are punching above our weight and we should be proud of that. We are still a threat to the top teams yet there are teams out there paying their player £250,000 a week ffs and yet we're managing to compete.

 

[Shadydan]

Isco?

But this is a faulty argument anyway. I'm not a football scout so it's not my business to know the value and relative quality of all the feasibly available players in the world. I'm sure there are some football geeks on here who could provide a few realistic names.

Realistically.

Really though Isco is a fantastic prospect but we don't know how much the club value him, his release clause is £17m, you think DL will pay that for a 20 year old which will be a record signing?

I think it's a bit OTT writing the likes of Dempsey and Sig off after a few bad games after all they are squad players and are there to do a job over the course of the season, comparing them to Hazard and Mata is a tad unfair what ever way you look at it.

 

[dontcallme]

We all knew there was going to be an element of a transitional season this year.

We've brought in a new manager with a clear playing style that parts of our team doesn't suit. We've lost King, Modric and VDV in one transfer window. We were never going to be able to fill our squad quickly enough with the right amount of quality and playing-style to fit AVB's system.

Some got onto cloud nine after 4 straight league wins but today has shown how much work there still is to do. It's frustrating but was always going to happen.

I think Vertonghen, Lloris, Dembele and Adebayor were all excellent signings. I've got a few reservations about Dempsey and Sigurdsson as I'm not sure where they fit in. Nowhere near ready to write them off though as I believe Sigurdsson could form a decent partnership with Adebayor.

There's a lot ot be postive about. As long as AVB keeps our players working as a team we'll get good results but we have to accept there was a gulf in quality today.

 

[StartingPrice]

When was this? In the game against Villa when we were two nil up against ten men? Even then I can't recall him doing anything particularly remarkable.

He may turn out to be a great player but right now I'm not seeing it.

I've already cited one instance - yesterday when Adebayor flicked the ball on and he juggled it on and then hit it on a running volley. And since the argument I am making is that he maybe just needs something to go right to get some confidence and someone to find him regularly with link up play like that (and no-one in his or her right mind would make the argument that Defoe is the premium player for that), I think you are being deliberately obtuse as you have clearly decided to blame the new boys. Do I really need to point out that we lost yesterday because we conceded 4 goals - not because we failed to convert any chances?

I really love the way the purpose of this thread, which was to say that under the circumstances we shouldn't feel to down-hearted, has become yet another opportunity to whinge - straight away, in like a whippet, like a ferret up a drainpipe, as soon as we lose a game again (after a good run) even if it was against the unbeaten league leaders who were pretty much at full strength, when we had conceivably six or seven first teamers missing

 

[AngerManagement]

I think we did about as well as we could considering the amount of players we had out, players we have sold and the fact we are clearly in transition now and with a bit (more) of luck we could have got a point or dare I say even win the match (who knows what would have happened had Walker's shot not been fantastically saved)

That being said, I am not sure we actually DESERVED anything out of that game. Chelsea were far better than us and basically outclassed us, controlled possession and were well worth the win in my opinion (if you look at the match without your Spurs glasses on)

What is encouraging is that we were still in the game and by hook or by crook could have got a result and we did so without 2 very key players and 3 of our best players from the start, we have had a big shuffle of our pack and are not going to see the best of this team for a while yet, plus unlike Chelsea we have not had the money to spend on the superstar quick fix players and we are still very much a work in progress.

There's no need to be down hearted about yesterday but I can't agree that we actually deserved a point or more on the balance of play even though we had a good amount of shots and made a game of it, Chelsea outclassed us still in my eyes.

 

[StartingPrice]

You are right - when I say we deserved something from the game, I do mean in terms of chances created, including some very good chances and including being thwarted by some very good saves. I did not mean to imply that Chelsea weren't very good, and I believe I did specifically state this in my OP. I would say, based on the number of opportunities we created we would have been reasonable value for a point, even if, in the strictest terms, we didn't necessarily deserve to score an exact equal number of goals as Chelsea - but that is a matter of semantics. The spirit of my argument, which you agree with, is that, with all of our absences and upheaval, we managed to stay in the game against a pretty much full-strength unbeaten league leading side until the very end, carving out enough chances to earn a draw and but for some luck may have finished level rather than losing 4-2 thanks to one horrible individual error in the 90th minute. It is enough to be disappointed that the Chavs beat us, without anyone getting back to whingeing about AVB and Levy and everything to do with THFC - but I see they have managed to do it, anyway

 

[Gilzeanking]

The figures I've seen don't really support the idea that we were outclassed....yes 48% possession , but many more shots 23- 11 and corners 7-4 . The word outclassed to me , means we were getting battered . Just don't see that from yesterday . Don't really see a collapse in pressing (bar the short time we were ahead)

Reckon this is why many are saying that with our 2 players missing...this match could have gone anywhere .

 

[StartingPrice]

The figures I've seen don't really support the idea that we were outclassed....yes 48% possession , but many more shots 23- 11 and corners 7-4 . The word outclassed to me , means we were getting battered . Just don't see that from yesterday . Don't really see a collapse in pressing (bar the short time we were ahead)

Reckon this is why many are saying that with our 2 players missing...this match could have gone anywhere .

I understand what you mean, but I also understand what AM means. I was going to make the same point you have, but this is one of those occasions where stats really can be deceptive. The fact is, Chelsea were getting around and through us with disconcerting ease and had several breaks where they really should have done better. My heart was in my mouth whenever they broke forward. That is why I emphasised that we created so many chances as to have been good value for a draw whether we deserved it or not - because, frankly, they carved through us with ease on innumerable occasions (not least with Verts last ditch, King-esque steal).

 

[kitchen]

Don't forget that we tried really hard for Willian too... We can't compete with the billionaires in terms of expenditure, but I have great faith in AVB finding players for less money that will make a big difference. They couldn't cope with Lennon running at them yesterday. Imagine if they'd had to cope with bale, Lennon and William all taking on their man...

 

[spurs mental]

I don't think I ever want to see Dempsey where the famous white shirt again.

I've seen enough and I think he's shit.

Such a pointless signing. Get rid.

As the famous quote from Martin Jol goes;

Of course you can think what you like. And I think you are a.....

How old are you? Probably about 13-15? Not much older. If you are older, you have the maturity of a 13-15 year old. Your post is one of the most ridiculous I've ever seen on here, and I've been on here 5 years.

Dempsey is not shit. We wouldn't have signed him if he was. We are lucky to have a player who is as tenacious and hard working as he is, never mind his strong mentality, and ability. You obviously never saw much of him at Fulham. He was their best player the last few seasons, must have been involved in about 60/70% of their goals too I'd say (this is just an estimate, haven't looked it up).

And it's wear, not where. Eg: I hope you can't remember where your left your Spurs shirt, that way you won't be able to wear it again. Ever.

Back on topic, agree with SP, plenty to be positive about. Had Kaboul and Dembele been playing, we would have gotten something out of that game, and that's not even taking into account what Bale would bring to us. Plenty to look forward to. I can't wait until we play City in a few weeks time. We owe those bastards a beating after they robbed us last season.

 

[guiltyparty]

Like your positivity but to say we deserved something is massively rose tinted

 

[King of Otters]

I've already cited one instance - yesterday when Adebayor flicked the ball on and he juggled it on and then hit it on a running volley. And since the argument I am making is that he maybe just needs something to go right to get some confidence and someone to find him regularly with link up play like that (and no-one in his or her right mind would make the argument that Defoe is the premium player for that), I think you are being deliberately obtuse as you have clearly decided to blame the new boys. Do I really need to point out that we lost yesterday because we conceded 4 goals - not because we failed to convert any chances?

Oh, OK, I remember the ball juggling followed by the volley. Sounds quite impressive when you write it down, certainly more impressive than watching him spoon his volley into the fucking stratosphere from about ten yards out.

Maybe he does need something to go right for him but good players tend to make their own luck. Cazorla, Hazard, Oscar Kagawa seem to be getting on alright. Not to mention the likes of Michu at little Swansea. And it's not as if he's new to the Prem. He's played two seasons in England already so I'm not sure for how much longer we/you can continue to make excuses for him. Still, if in doubt, blame it on Defoe eh?

For the record, I'm not blaming our defeat on Sig or Dempsey, we certainly would have been better off with some good top 4 class players in their place but the fact that we conceded four goals didn't escape my attention.

 

[King of Otters]

As the famous quote from Martin Jol goes;

Of course you can think what you like. And I think you are a.....

How old are you? Probably about 13-15? Not much older. If you are older, you have the maturity of a 13-15 year old. Your post is one of the most ridiculous I've ever seen on here, and I've been on here 5 years.

Dempsey is not shit. We wouldn't have signed him if he was. We are lucky to have a player who is as tenacious and hard working as he is, never mind his strong mentality, and ability. You obviously never saw much of him at Fulham. He was their best player the last few seasons, must have been involved in about 60/70% of their goals too I'd say (this is just an estimate, haven't looked it up).

And it's wear, not where. Eg: I hope you can't remember where your left your Spurs shirt, that way you won't be able to wear it again. Ever.

Back on topic, agree with SP, plenty to be positive about. Had Kaboul and Dembele been playing, we would have gotten something out of that game, and that's not even taking into account what Bale would bring to us. Plenty to look forward to. I can't wait until we play City in a few weeks time. We owe those bastards a beating after they robbed us last season.

Fucking hell.....

 

[kishman]

It was just really unusual going ahead at home and losing like that. And to Chelsea, the team I despise the most.

 

[StartingPrice]

It was just really unusual going ahead at home and losing like that. And to Chelsea, the team I despise the most.

I simply cannot and will not agree with you!

The team I always have, do, and always will hate the most are the Goons

Oh, OK, I remember the ball juggling followed by the volley. Sounds quite impressive when you write it down, certainly more impressive than watching him spoon his volley into the fucking stratosphere from about ten yards out.

Maybe he does need something to go right for him but good players tend to make their own luck. Cazorla, Hazard, Oscar Kagawa seem to be getting on alright. Not to mention the likes of Michu at little Swansea. And it's not as if he's new to the Prem. He's played two seasons in England already so I'm not sure for how much longer we/you can continue to make excuses for him. Still, if in doubt, blame it on Defoe eh?

For the record, I'm not blaming our defeat on Sig or Dempsey, we certainly would have been better off with some good top 4 class players in their place but the fact that we conceded four goals didn't escape my attention.

Yes, but it was the type of volley that could just as easily have gone in, just like Cahill's - and then it would have looked fantastic - and I really believe he needs something like that. Besides, afaiac, the vital point is that that happened after Adebayor came onto the pitch and not while Defoe was playing as a lone front-man.

All I am saying is, give him time. He's 22, he's only played a few games in a team that is undergoing major changes, and no, he hasn't got off to a flyer, and it looks to have dented his confidence. I'm not saying he will be the greatest player in the World. I am saying that I was pretty much a lone voice on here when Kaboul first joined (before his Pompey interlude), and there was a sense of happiness and vindication by many on here when we got rid of the him, based on their original assessment after very few games - and I fear that their is a danger of the same thing happening here. I'm not making excuses for him, I'm suggesting some of our supporters/you be a bit more reasonable in your assessment because the fact is that he has never, once, played with a striker for 90 minutes that is going to compliment his skill-set in any way, and from that base his confidence appears to have been knocked by not making an immediate impact

And, no, I didn't imply that you missed the four goals that Chelsea scored - just think it a bit strange that your main focus should be on forward players in a game where we conceded four and scored two.

 

[IMISSVDV]

As the famous quote from Martin Jol goes;

Of course you can think what you like. And I think you are a.....

How old are you? Probably about 13-15? Not much older. If you are older, you have the maturity of a 13-15 year old. Your post is one of the most ridiculous I've ever seen on here, and I've been on here 5 years.

Dempsey is not shit. We wouldn't have signed him if he was. We are lucky to have a player who is as tenacious and hard working as he is, never mind his strong mentality, and ability. You obviously never saw much of him at Fulham. He was their best player the last few seasons, must have been involved in about 60/70% of their goals too I'd say (this is just an estimate, haven't looked it up).

And it's wear, not where. Eg: I hope you can't remember where your left your Spurs shirt, that way you won't be able to wear it again. Ever.

Back on topic, agree with SP, plenty to be positive about. Had Kaboul and Dembele been playing, we would have gotten something out of that game, and that's not even taking into account what Bale would bring to us. Plenty to look forward to. I can't wait until we play City in a few weeks time. We owe those bastards a beating after they robbed us last season.

I'm old enough to of seen many shit players play for spurs. You know the ones that everyone knows are shit but the manager it seems.

I think our friend Clint is one of those.

He just isn't good enough for a club with supposed top 4 ambitions.

Pointless signing.

 

[StartingPrice]

I'm old enough to of seen many shit players play for spurs. You know the ones that everyone knows are shit but the manager it seems.

I think our friend Clint is one of those.

He just isn't good enough for a club with supposed top 4 ambitions.

Pointless signing.

With all due respect, I think you are substituting some kind of flat assessment of good (that you subjectively decide) with being good enough to do a job for the team - and what is most important to me is that I really don't think we will get a clear notion of that until he is regularly paired with a lone front-man other than Defoe. Both yesterday and previously, he has been running into clear space, in the area, on the outside of Defoe, totally unmarked, and a goal would have been a reasonably inferred outcome had Defoe put him through. On each occasion, however, even though putting him through would have been relatively easy but taking the shot on when there were a few defenders before him considerably more difficult and less likely to result in a goal, Defoe opted to blast the ball. I want to see Dempsey playing with someone who will recognise those runs and feed them, rather than being predictably selfish - and then we will see whether Dempsey can do a job for us

 

[danielneeds]

We did alright when you consider that our starting line-up yesterday cost around the same as Torres.

The squad isn't strong enough to cope with the loss of big players like Bale and Dembele. We haven't quite got the depth we had a few years ago.

 

[StartingPrice]

We did alright when you consider that our starting line-up yesterday cost around the same as Torres.

The squad isn't strong enough to cope with the loss of big players like Bale and Dembele. We haven't quite got the depth we had a few years ago.

As said in the match thread, where someone else said the same thing:

We were without:
Kaboul
BAE
Dembélé
Bale

Also unavailable:
Scotty Parker

Not starting (for whatever reason):
Lloris
Adebayor

And yet we were in the game and created plenty of opportunities, against the unbeaten league leaders who were pretty much full strength, right up to the ninety minute when, moments after going very close to equalising while in the process of heaping a great deal of pressure on, they scored a killer goal right at the death due to a horrible individual error, and that made the result look far more decisive than it was. This in the middle of a transition period for us.

Under those circumstances, I actually reached the opposite conclusion. Do you believe that the game would have been anything like that if either we were full-strength, too, or they had the level of absentees we had to cope with?