Gomes?

[DogsOfWar]

1. You've admitted yourself that those stats are based on 2 games against 2 very good teams...and to add a human element do you think Friedel should have saved any of the goals today?

2. Those stats don't include Gomes' balls up do they? Or his inconsistency at catching crosses etc. Basically his erratic goalkeeping isn't reflected in those stats.

Personally I think Gomes, at his best, is better than Friedel. But using such simplistic stats proves nothing.

Point 2 is covered in the stats. If Gomes lets one through his hands it's reflected, if he fumbles a cross or gives away a penalty, it will show up as a goal in these stats.

Unfortunately point 1 is subjective. The reason I bought Robinson into the argument is that nearly all our fans were making the same argument about him. He was conceding a lot of goals for the shots he was facing but the defence was always 'no other keeper would have saved that wonder shot' yet Gomes came in and we started to concede less goals from the amount of shots faced.
The other subjective point is goalkeeping style. Someone like Gomes allows the defence to play higher up the pitch which stops attacking teams putting crosses into the most dangerous areas.
OK he may come out and flap at some of these but if it stops 5 dangerous crosses coming in which would result in 2 goals compared to stopping 5 crosses which result in him flapping and conceding 1 then the net result is better.

But, as with Robbo, a lot of supporters won't see or appreciate this because making a mistake to concede a goal is more obvious than allowing crosses into the 6 yard box and conceding point blank headers.

As ss57 has shown Friedel may have been a better keeper 2 or 3 seasons ago but he's on the downturn whilst Gomes is improving so why is Friedel being preferred to Gomes in the first place?

 

[lobosoulman]

I am amazed at some of the opinions on here.
I was very happy when we signed Gomes, I wanted a "take action" keeper who would come out for crosses rush at strikers feet, and clatter opposition strikers rather than a "wait and see" keeper like Robbo.
Not quite how it worked out though.
He was erratic from the start, making silly errors and getting caught in no mans land from crosses.
He was coming out and missing crosses from corner free kicks, opposition teams were targeting him. He clattered Corluka and that was as aggressive as he got.
There was a point where you could feel the nervousness in the ground when corners or free kicks were pinged in. He kept coming and kept flapping.
He despite been 6 feet 4 and about 14 stone was getting bullied. I was screaming for him to come out for balls all elbows and knees up but it seemed he was the one who was scared of getting hurt.
He was weak. He even gave an interview saying how rough the league was and how its on his mind he may get hurt. Opposition strikers must have been laughing reading that.
He did fly out at opposition strikers feet and ended up getting sent off and giving away pens.
I was so gutted beacuse I had such belief in him. Harry reigned him in from coming for crosses all the time, but the lampard shot he let in (ok it never crossed the line but it never should have happened) and the one at Fulham awful, Madrid away, Madrid at home...... to many.
I mean just woeful a pro GK making those errors.
With Friedel there i feel relief, he will save the shots he is meant to save. He wont get caught flapping he will be more consistent.
Those who say Gomes would have clattered Dzeko, I wish. He would have come out half hearted and crumbled. He was always worried about geting hurt. Wolves away when they scored a disallowed 4th goal, Gomes was weaker than a arthritic kitten with a nervous disposition in that challenge, half hearted and fearful. Never a foul on him. Lucky to get away with it. He went down a lot to, I think the defenders did not believe in him which makes it worse.

It breaks my heart to say all of the above, because i was so sure he would be amazing, I was telling anyone who would listen to give him a chance. He made some amazing saves, top top draw saves but he made to many errors.
I so wanted him to do well and I still believe the tools are there, but he has had MANY chances. He may go in this window, if not he will get a run out in cup games. He can still turn it round, I believe he can but I do believe Brad deserves a spell as number one.
He made some good saves yesterday. Not his fault at all the goals we let in.

 

[double0]

I am amazed at some of the opinions on here.
I was very happy when we signed Gomes, I wanted a "take action" keeper who would come out for crosses rush at strikers feet, and clatter opposition strikers rather than a "wait and see" keeper like Robbo.
Not quite how it worked out though.
He was erratic from the start, making silly errors and getting caught in no mans land from crosses.
He was coming out and missing crosses from corner free kicks, opposition teams were targeting him. He clattered Corluka and that was as aggressive as he got.
There was a point where you could feel the nervousness in the ground when corners or free kicks were pinged in. He kept coming and kept flapping.
He despite been 6 feet 4 and about 14 stone was getting bullied. I was screaming for him to come out for balls all elbows and knees up but it seemed he was the one who was scared of getting hurt.
He was weak. He even gave an interview saying how rough the league was and how its on his mind he may get hurt. Opposition strikers must have been laughing reading that.
He did fly out at opposition strikers feet and ended up getting sent off and giving away pens.
I was so gutted beacuse I had such belief in him. Harry reigned him in from coming for crosses all the time, but the lampard shot he let in (ok it never crossed the line but it never should have happened) and the one at Fulham awful, Madrid away, Madrid at home...... to many.
I mean just woeful a pro GK making those errors.
With Friedel there i feel relief, he will save the shots he is meant to save. He wont get caught flapping he will be more consistent.
Those who say Gomes would have clattered Dzeko, I wish. He would have come out half hearted and crumbled. He was always worried about geting hurt. Wolves away when they scored a disallowed 4th goal, Gomes was weaker than a arthritic kitten with a nervous disposition in that challenge, half hearted and fearful. Never a foul on him. Lucky to get away with it. He went down a lot to, I think the defenders did not believe in him which makes it worse.

It breaks my heart to say all of the above, because i was so sure he would be amazing, I was telling anyone who would listen to give him a chance. He made some amazing saves, top top draw saves but he made to many errors.
I so wanted him to do well and I still believe the tools are there, but he has had MANY chances. He may go in this window, if not he will get a run out in cup games. He can still turn it round, I believe he can but I do believe Brad deserves a spell as number one.
He made some good saves yesterday. Not his fault at all the goals we let in.

He made some errors yes but he made some outstanding saves that more than outweighed his mistakes. The media are relentless in this country and even when he punched crosses clear, it was reported Gomes flaps (rubbish)

I'll have Gomes over Friedel asap.

 

[jimbo]

Do you think that Gomes would have kept any of the goals out today?

I actually rate Gomes when he's at his best but he wasn't at his best at all last season and I can see why Friedel has been picked. So far I don't think Friedel has made any errors so I'd keep him in for now.

It's an impossible question because two completely different 'keepers will play differently. It sounds as though the question should be 'would Gomes have stopped any of the goals from Friedel's starting position if you could immediately replace one with the other?' To which the answer is 'yes'. :grin:

The real question in the comparison should be whether Gomes would have done any worse than Friedel given that we supposedly brought Friedel in to improve on Gomes. Have we achieved that? Have we fuck.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Friedel is rooted to his line, that led to some of the problems with the goals yesterday and also means he is less likely to look like he is to blame. Gomes every time. Yet another poor arry decision, if he really doesn't fancy Gomes then sell him and buy a younger keeper don't take a has been on a free.

 

[Krafty]

I'd prefer Gomes to play, but I thought Friedel was alright. I'd need to see more before making greater analysis of his skills, but at the time I did not blame Friedel for any of the goals that went in - if his was at fault, someone else was even more at fault.

I wondered why we signed Friedel in the first place, but if he is going to be first choice why didnt we sell Gomes? Brad's signing smacks of short termism, which I feel is coming from Redknapp as he eyes up the England job or a spell inside.

Picking Friedel and Cudini for the last three games has killed off Gomes' Spurs career, and the thing that really annoys me is that when Friedel spills a shot the commentators say nothing, but if it was Gomes it would be 'yet another clanger'. its why De Gea's career at united is destined to end in failure because he has been giving a dodgy tag and keepers very very rarely lose it.

 

[brett.spurs]

Who's shot was it that he patted straight back out in front of him? You're right that if that was Gomes they'd have been all over him.

 

[Krafty]

Who's shot was it that he patted straight back out in front of him? You're right that if that was Gomes they'd have been all over him.

Against utd there were two instances, a shot straight at him from outside the box, he patted out back into the middle of the penalty box where Rooney tried a left footed scissor kick that he mistimed and Friedel got back up and caught the ball, and another time where the camera angle changed so all I saw was the shot (nearside, towards the front post), Friedel got his hands on it but let it spill out in front of him, someone followed up and he needed to make another block.

I don't expect a keeper to make every perfect save, but with Gomes you get out of this world saves, and I've yet to see Friedel make a simply amazing save. But then again he is yet to make a horrendous clanger.

 

[g_harry]

Gomes is betetr than friedel. I thought friedel was only a back up to gomes.

 

[dav3j]

You've got to feel sorry for Gomes. He did fine against Hearts, and yet Arry dropped him - why?