Gomes?

[kaz Hirai]

I think the stats show that, but do they show him not catching crosses and fumbling various shots?

Don't ever base opinions just on stats. That's a mug's game.

i'd bet steak dinners that gomes overall would concede fewer goals from crosses than friedel. easier to score when the keeper is rooted to the line, just have the centre back to worry about instead of a massive Brazilian rushing out of his goal putting you off. it may look like a flap but like i say, i bet we'll concede more from crosses and corners this season

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Gomes wouldn't have made those saves? Have people forgotten the saves he made to get us Champions League football? Safer keepers may make fewer mistakes but they don't make the saves Gomes is capable of. Im sorry but if Gomes had let in 8 goals in two games he would have been slaughtered on here with every golakeeping expert telling us what he could have done differently but Friedel lets in 8 and hes been excellent and no one could have saves those shots :duh:

 

[talkshowhost86]

Gomes wouldn't have made those saves? Have people forgotten the saves he made to get us Champions League football? Safer keepers may make fewer mistakes but they don't make the saves Gomes is capable of. Im sorry but if Gomes had let in 8 goals in two games he would have been slaughtered on here with every golakeeping expert telling us what he could have done differently but Friedel lets in 8 and hes been excellent and no one could have saves those shots :duh:

Basically people will knee jerk at a keeper either way.

Do you think Gomes would have saved any of the goals today? That's the only re;evamt question.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Basically people will knee jerk at a keeper either way.

Do you think Gomes would have saved any of the goals today? That's the only re;evamt question.

You just never know, think back to those shots he saved against Arsenal and Chelsea they epitomise the enigma that is Heurelho Gomes. He is capable of the sublime. Put safer keepers in, feel less worried but then don't expect anyone that is going to pull out something from the top draw.

 

[talkshowhost86]

You just never know, think back to those shots he saved against Arsenal and Chelsea they epitomise the enigma that is Heurelho Gomes. He is capable of the sublime. Put safer keepers in, feel less worried but then don't expect anyone that is going to pull out something from the top draw.

Not really answering the question there. On a pure shotstopping front do you think Gomes would have saved any of the 5 today?

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Saved Just 1? Yes!

 

[SpurSince57]

Sadly we have decided to go for the keeper that makes few mistakes but also makes few great saves. Gomes should be first choice but we have a manager that doesn't appreciate him.

We also have a lot of fans who don't appreciate him.

OK, fair enough, he has a habit of making the difficult stuff look easy sand the easy stuff look very, very difficult. And he has things happen to him that, well, don't happen to any other keeper. I don't believe there's anyone else who can save a penalty one moment, and give one away the next. If you're of a nervous disposition, he's not the man for you.

I'd dispute that Friedel makes few great saves, because I've seen him make several, and that's just on MOTD. I'm not sure there was too much difference in the shot-to-save percentage last season, either. Both were up at the top end.

Let's face it, both our CBs had days they'd prefer to forget today. Why make the keeper the scapegoat for pisspoor defending?

 

[brett.spurs]

Last season Gomes was 5th and Friedel 18th in save %. The season before Gomes was 2nd, not sure about Friedel, probably near the bottom though.

 

[hybridsoldier]

Have to Friedel has actually had 2 good games and his communication seems better than Gomes.

Problem is the games have been Man U and Man City, the top 2 this year, with no central midfield and Younes and Daws were really shocking today.

How people can get on Friedel after these two games is such a kneejerk and so short sighted. Probably the same people that love Gomes when he makes the wonder saves then gets on him being a clown with the odd mistake.

Personally think Harry has made a brave decision...its a short term one but Gomes was seriously costing us too many goals especially in big games.

 

[Pedro]

Gomes is a class keeper, yes makes the odd blunder, but also make a lot of 'unsavable' saves. Im sure he would have saved 2 of those - defo the Augero one - Friedel ducked under it! Friedel has been ok, solid, if this is just to give Gomes a kick up the arse then fair enough, but since Gomes is in his last year of contract he looks to be blatently off - maybe now/jan but defo end of season. Real shame

 

[SpurSince57]

Last season Gomes was 5th and Friedel 18th in save %. The season before Gomes was 2nd, not sure about Friedel, probably near the bottom though.

According to the trusty Torygraph, Gomes was 69% in 09-10, Friedel 76%.

http://footballstats.telegraph.co.u...p1league=128&p2league=128&p1match=0&p2match=0

 

[SpurSince57]

Gomes is a class keeper, yes makes the odd blunder, but also make a lot of 'unsavable' saves. Im sure he would have saved 2 of those - defo the Augero one - Friedel ducked under it! Friedel has been ok, solid, if this is just to give Gomes a kick up the arse then fair enough, but since Gomes is in his last year of contract he looks to be blatently off - maybe now/jan but defo end of season. Real shame

This is opinion. He might have done, but then again he might not.

We can't blame Friedel for this afternoon.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Rather than just hiding behind stats, what do you think that Gomes would have done differently today?

I rate Gomes...at his best he is a quality keeper, but tell me what difference he'd have made today.

Regardless of what I think Gomes might have done differently (and I do), what is the point of replacing him with 40yo who is no better.

Unless you think Gomes would have done any worse than Friedel ?

 

[fortworthspur]

I dont blame friedel for today. but if Harry thought the keeper needed to be upgraded, couldnt we have done something more imaginative than a couple of 40 year olds past their prime?

 

[CMRW]

I'm surprised you've not played Carlo Cudicini more. He went to Spurs hoping for first team football, but seems to be behind Gomes and now Freidel as well. :/

 

[cozzo]

Its a shambles at the moment, get Gomes back in goal immediately and give him a new contract!

 

[VegasII]

Carlo played quite a bit then had a motorbike crash that kept him out for quite a while.

 

[SpurSince57]

I dont blame friedel for today. but if Harry thought the keeper needed to be upgraded, couldnt we have done something more imaginative than a couple of 40 year olds past their prime?

A couple? :shrug:

Top-class keepers are about as thin on the ground as top-class strikers.

 

[fortworthspur]

I rounded up for Carlo. I figure bilateral hip fractures adds two years to his age.

and Im not having a go at him - Im amazed and awed that he came back from that injury - but you can see it in his movement.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Basically people will knee jerk at a keeper either way.

Do you think Gomes would have saved any of the goals today? That's the only re;evamt question.

I think he would have. The Dzeko header that he jumped with Kaboul to score Gomes would have punched him (and Kaboul) in the head. Kabould could have done with a punch in the head from what I was watching.