Yeah but they dont play attractive football.
Oh, how many trophies did Redknapp win here? Zero. Trophies > No trophies. Settled.
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Oh, how many trophies did Redknapp win here? Zero. Trophies > No trophies. Settled.
But he doesnt play attractive football which isnt our DNA apparently. So you'd make an exception if we were talking about Guardiola then but no one else?
spursandbarca
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Guardiola doesn't play attractive football??????
Mmm the 5-0 in Mourinhos 1st classic might be the most lopsided game Ive ever seen between 2 tops sides. How is 4-3-3 negative????
Mmm the 5-0 in Mourinhos 1st classic might be the most lopsided game Ive ever seen between 2 tops sides. How is 4-3-3 negative????
Tiki taka though. Its based on possession football which alot of people here cant stand and see as negative as seen with all the discussions since AVB left.
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We never played Barca-style tiki taka football under AVB.
Personally I love Barca (have done for about 21 years), and the football they have played in recent times is incredible. Unlike AVB's Spurs, the big difference was movement. Barca were and are the perfect example of the style of football Tottenham gave the world - pass and move.
Under AVB everything was so slow and static. Yes we'd play possession football, but it was motionless and predictable. On the other hand Barca would move the ball quickly, and use clever movement to create chances and open up spaces.
It's easy to keep the ball if you offer no threat to the opposition whatsoever. What Barca do is to keep the ball while constantly looking to carve out opportunities to score, and pulling the opposition all over the pitch.
If that's what AVB was trying to do, he obviously didn't realise we lacked the sort of players to do it. All we did was pass the ball slowly and let the opposition wait patiently for the move to inevitably break down. No originality, no creativity, no movement, no change of tempo, and ultimately no threat.
Spurs_Bear
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I may now have heard it all. Comparing tika-taka to AVB's brand of football.
Jesus Horatio Christ. On a bicycle. With no seat.
Jesus Horatio Christ. On a bicycle. With no seat.
Spurs_Bear
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That wasn't dull and boring football under Mourinho in his first couple of seasons though. Robben and Duff on the wings and scoring goals all over the place. We'd all take that everyday of the week.
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Danny Blanchflower will be turning in his grave ....
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Its a fair mindset to have i guess. I and im certain a lot of people would disagree though.
The way I see it is if that is true, there is no point in watching the game. If the result is all that matters then we might as well just look at the result at the end of the match and bask in the glory of success or wallow in the mire of defeat.
The enjoyment for me is in the taking part - the feast before my eyes is important to me. I want to see glorious things on the pitch and be part of the drama and all the emotions that go with it.
I want to taste my food not have it intravenously put in me for nourishment.
I want to read books not just find out the twist at the end.
Life, for me is all about the experiences in between the starts and the ends. The winning and losing. The highs and the lows. Its about the journey of how you get there not necessarily where you end up.
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That's very poetic. I'm not entirely sure I could equate much of it to most of the time I've spent watching us play though. Either now or before AVB.
There were great players, special matches and periods of entertaining football but I slogged through the 90s and I can guarantee watching players like Jason Dozzell and Steve Sedgley was not a feast for the eyes.
In the context of our history, I'd like some success first and foremost and if we can do that with sparkling football all the better.
dudu
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ha, im not saying its what i actually get.... its what i want.... and the reason i watch in hope for.
No one gets it all the time but we watch with the hope of it coming true before our eyes.
like the 4-4 against arsenal that felt like a win..... You had to watch every minute of that match, experience every mistake we made to appreciate the comeback and the absolute joy at the final whistle.
or the 3-4 vs inter and that bale hat-trick. we didnt win but the second half bale performance was heart rendering.
Im not even saying its about us playing well, its about us having the balls to try and do so with the aim to entertain.
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I very much agree with @DuDe. Ultimately, I go to football matches to be entertained. Yes, my emotional tie to the club makes me want us to win every game and have a big fat trophy haul, but (and of course the two are in no way mutually exclusive) I go to Spurs for the same reason I go to the cinema, the theatre, concerts, casinos, etc... because I want to enjoy myself. I think the majority of us would agree that attacking (note, I said attacking, not 'open') football which creates chances and provides several brilliant moments is enjoyable. The fact that I spend far more on Spurs than on those other passtimes is because there is potential, due to my own peronality and tastes, to be far more entertained watching Spurs than doing any of those other things. The flip side is that there is also potential to be far more frustrated.
Yes, I want to see us winning games, I don't want to see defensive mistakes and I do crave to see us control games, but I don't think control should be at the expense of adventure and entertainment. With Barcelona, they have both in equal measure. Dortmund too, and, dare I say, Arsenal. At this moment, with our current group of players, we don't seem able to have both and while that is the case I quite unashamedly will say that it's the control I'm happy to compromise for the sake of more adventurous and purposeful football. Because of the high quality of player we have, the simple percentage game dictates that far more often than not, this will reap winning dividends.
Ultimately, just with what I've seen before my own eyes this season, and in part it is due to the amount of new players, in part due to AVB's rigid formations and tactics, we seem to be in a place where we can go with one or the other and whichver ethos loses out will have to be cultivated over time. I personally think we're absolutely fine going out with an attacking and adventurous mindset and letting the control over possession come bit by bit with familiarity and confidence.
Yes, I want to see us winning games, I don't want to see defensive mistakes and I do crave to see us control games, but I don't think control should be at the expense of adventure and entertainment. With Barcelona, they have both in equal measure. Dortmund too, and, dare I say, Arsenal. At this moment, with our current group of players, we don't seem able to have both and while that is the case I quite unashamedly will say that it's the control I'm happy to compromise for the sake of more adventurous and purposeful football. Because of the high quality of player we have, the simple percentage game dictates that far more often than not, this will reap winning dividends.
Ultimately, just with what I've seen before my own eyes this season, and in part it is due to the amount of new players, in part due to AVB's rigid formations and tactics, we seem to be in a place where we can go with one or the other and whichver ethos loses out will have to be cultivated over time. I personally think we're absolutely fine going out with an attacking and adventurous mindset and letting the control over possession come bit by bit with familiarity and confidence.
mattyspurs
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It's worrying that this needs explaining like this!!
SargeantMeatCurtains
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This place can be a right dictatorship at times.
I guess its to keep trolls like me in check!
I guess its to keep trolls like me in check!
Ionman34
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This.
I think they averaged 2 goals a game wasn't it?
Others felt it was boring because the other teams couldn't score against them and they dominated possession. Boring if you wanted an open game, I suppose, but not if you followed Cheatski.
Had they been less arrogant and employed less 'gamesmanship' I think fewer would hold to the fallacy that they were boring rather than dominant.
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OP has one of every rating
He's missing one ;o)
BringBack_leGin
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Not anymore he's not
@Jaispurs I don't actually mean that rating, I just wanted to give you a full set!
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he still doesn't have the "Mod eye"
I laugh in the eye of the "Mod eye"...... HAHAHAHA.
