European Super League Mega Thread

[Stalterinho]

How? Please explain how Leicester and West Ham potentially finishing above Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, and Arsenal but still being denied a seat at the top table benefits football. Imagine if after the 2016 Euros qualifying UEFA turned around to Northern Ireland and said 'congrats on a successful campaign but we're giving your spot to Holland instead'. The super league benefits no one but those involved in it.

Who says the champions league can't cp exist with the ESL where teams from England like wolves West ham Leicester could still qualify for the champions league and make money that way ?

 

[joelstinton14]

Not sure what the Prem's that worried about because the 6 still intend playing in it & because the 6 will be playing in the ESL there'll be places available for other teams in the Euro competitions.

It’ll be the same way teams put out second string XI’s in the FA cup because they have more important games to play. Important games meaning other games pay more money. The premier league will be devalued, as will the other European competitionsz

 

[dagraham]

Clearly that's the view of the board. Ignoring the local community and fan base that has supported the club through good times and bad times, in favour of pandering to the global fairweathers that may only like spurs because of one particular player, and probably would switch allegiance at the drop of a hat.

Yep. If it wasn’t for us “Legacy” fans over the last 50-100 years ( whatever that quaint patronising bullshit term is even supposed to mean) there wouldn’t even be a gravy chain for these organisations and greedy individuals to jump on board to.

I’m not naive enough to not realise this is the way it’s been slowly going for some time, but to have it so brazenly slapped in your face is galling.

And whatever one may think of UEFA/FIFA/Sky etc ( with some perfectly valid justification), if you think they are ruining football then you ain’t seen nothing yet I’m afraid.

 

[OpenHeartZoo]

This may well be true, but I don't think the break away clubs see this.

They believe the global revenues and guaranteed income will more than replace the stadium and legacy fans (that's what we have been reduced to) revenue.

I agree entirely, because they are people who have been able to pick up and buy every single thing they've ever wanted in life. There is the occasional thing in life though that can't be bought.

Like I said I don't think empty stadiums would cripple them via the lack of gate receipts, but I think it would knacker the product they're trying to sell.

I mean with all the money they've got they can frankly start their own league of brand new franchise clubs and just buy all the best players from the Prem and La Liga to play in it... no? People don't want to watch that shit, they want to tune in and be a part of the history of clubs like Barcelona, Man United, Liverpool and Juventus. (A bit less so Spurs lets be honest).

 

[Rosco1984]

Not looking forward to watching us in the bottom of the table with nothing to play for every year,
No decent players will want to play for a team that can never have a chance of winning the competition, Kane's chance of ever getting a medal would be gone by staying with us,
Hopefully this ESL plan fails

always look on the bright side of life mate its not likewe haven't' beaten most of these teams over the past 5-6 years and reached a champions league final at all. We just unfortunately shackled ourselves with a human handbrake for the last 17 months and he's gone now. Maybe we wont be as awful as you think but I would still rather it didn't happen.

 

[Stalterinho]

Not sure what the Prem's that worried about because the 6 still intend playing in it & because the 6 will be playing in the ESL there'll be places available for other teams in the Euro competitions.

My exact point, they have already said they are open to working with uefa, would this not benefit the mid table clubs more ?

 

[OpenHeartZoo]

If teams like Madrid didn't have the best players and they wernt an elite team, it would mean less eyes on there domestic leagues, meaning less revenue for the lower teams of those leagues

They always have been and always will be an elite team. There are enough top players to go round between the handful of huge clubs that can afford them. They might lose the odd player to a Chelsea or a City sure (I would like to see a European wage cap to counter this personally) but they will still always be able to have top players. It's nonsense.

 

[chrissivad]

Not sure what the Prem's that worried about because the 6 still intend playing in it & because the 6 will be playing in the ESL there'll be places available for other teams in the Euro competitions.

Clubs want to still play in the PL, but it will be a secondary competition for them.
It won't matter if they win the league, finish top 4 or get relegated.

 

[Amo]

Not sure what the Prem's that worried about because the 6 still intend playing in it & because the 6 will be playing in the ESL there'll be places available for other teams in the Euro competitions.

My word. Would you still believe in this argument if Spurs weren't in it?

 

[C0YS]

I don't understand why the UEFA CL changes are getting off so easily from the same people who claim to be outraged by the ESL. It's pretty fucking close to the exact same thing, only difference is that UEFA collect all the cash.

Having read them I'm actually less disgusted by the ESL and can sort of see why the clubs have done it. Football is fucked from 2024 regardless so we might as well benefit because the CL changes will fuck us, especially if/when we don't come in the top 6 this season.

Ok what is UEFA, where does that cash actually go? This is an important thing. UEFA doesn't generate profit, it's legally not allowed to. I'm sure there is corruption and money getting into certain peoples pockets. But UEFA's money goes partly to beurocratic things but mostly to the associations, because that's what UEFA is, a union of associations. So saying UEFAget all the money, is not true, the money is just distributed to different areas of football, part of the issue with UEFA is that they were giving a lot of power and income distribution to the bigger clubs, and fucking the smaller ones. There is rampant corruption in football, normally involving bribery and money led decision making, again don't think the big clubs are not all part of that.

The CL changes would actually probably slightly help us in the long term getting into the competition, but they were pushed by the big clubs. The same people who are splitting.

 

[OpenHeartZoo]

My exact point, they have already said they are open to working with uefa, would this not benefit the mid table clubs more ?

Lol is this a joke? How in the fuck does it benefit a mid-table club who were dreaming to get in the champions league. No other team has anything to dream of past basically staying in the Premiership.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

On the BBC
"
But in a letter to Uefa and Fifa, seen by the BBC, lawyers for the ESL say they have filed injunctions to prevent player and club bans, saying they consider such actions to be "unlawful".
An insider at the ESL said they had prepared themselves for a huge backlash, and thought they were on firm legal ground with respect to competition law.
"I think in the cold light of day, they are looking at this and the reality is dawning that this is happening and it's perfectly legal," they told the BBC. "

Be interesting to see what the UK government come up with , refuse entry into the UK for teams participating in an unsanctioned competition, no more freedom of movement from EU into UK we have control of the borders.!!


The more this goes on the more I can see my ST becoming available very soon, rapidly losing interest in Spurs after 63 years, they won't miss my money .

 

[Indisguise]

I'm finally done supporting this shade of a once great club (not that it actually matters to anyone but me). I've got much better things to waste my time on. There's no heart or soul left in it and you're welcome to ENIC and Levy if you want to delude yourself that there's anything left of it or salvageable. Good luck!

@scat1620 I'm with you man!

 

[Amo]

Lol is this a joke? How in the fuck does it benefit a mid-table club who were dreaming to get in the champions league. No other team has anything to dream of past basically staying in the Premiership.

A Champions League that will be played at the same midweek timeslot as this fucking Super League! As if they'd fucking get airtime let alone prestige.

The cognitive dissonance is spectacular.

 

[mark87]

 

[davidmatzdorf]

It would be pretty amusing if Boris Johnson's government was the knight in shining armour. Not sure how people would be able to stomach that.

Some of us are "stomaching" the success of their vaccination roll-out, in the face of an avalanche of anti-science bullshit, some of it from people on the left. It is possible to detest the government, while still crediting them for what they get right. The alternative is confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.

 

[Shadydan]

So if there's no evidence that it will fail/succeed we can admit that it was a massive gamble? How is that good business from Levy?

Also I would argue that is evidence. Nobody wants this product lol.

Everything is a massive gamble, building a stadium is a massive gamble, buying players is a massive gamble - you could see a risk in anything that you do but what are we exactly risking here, there's no financial investment gone into it for example?

Sorry chief you're gonna have to do better with your evidence, just because no one wants it doesn't mean the idea is gonna fall flat on it's face and we are going to be fucked in the long run.

 

[TwanYid]

Life just keeps getting worse.
Everything I like is being taken away.
I literally cannot believe these times we’re living in- it’s literally as if I’m in a nightmare from which I can’t awake.

 

[Amo]

On the BBC
"
But in a letter to Uefa and Fifa, seen by the BBC, lawyers for the ESL say they have filed injunctions to prevent player and club bans, saying they consider such actions to be "unlawful".
An insider at the ESL said they had prepared themselves for a huge backlash, and thought they were on firm legal ground with respect to competition law.
"I think in the cold light of day, they are looking at this and the reality is dawning that this is happening and it's perfectly legal," they told the BBC. "

Be interesting to see what the UK government come up with , refuse entry into the UK for teams participating in an unsanctioned competition, no more freedom of movement from EU into UK we have control of the borders.!!

Lol. Parliament is sovereign. If Johnson is sincere about his support for a "legislative bomb" then the six clubs can go and get fucked Super Bigly.

I would absolutely love it if they all end up in a far weaker position than just three days ago. And it's looking 50/50 atm.

 

[scat1620]

I'm finally done supporting this shade of a once great club (not that it actually matters to anyone but me). I've got much better things to waste my time on. There's no heart or soul left in it and you're welcome to ENIC and Levy if you want to delude yourself that there's anything left of it or salvageable. Good luck!

@scat1620 I'm with you man!

Solidarity comrade! I suspect you'll find yourself happier as a result.

Btw, the HITMAN thread is thattaway...