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Saoirse

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Potentially major breaking news from the Times: The big six, except Man City (EDIT: They are now also involved), have signed up to a breakaway European Super League. They would continue to play in domestic competitions - this would be instead of the UEFA tournaments and would be a mostly closed-doors tournament rather than qualifying based on merit. This may now be fairly likely to happen - the big barrier before was getting the English giants on board. Full article pasted below:

Five English clubs sign up to breakaway league in challenge to UEFA plans

Five English clubs are among 11 European teams who have signed up to a breakaway Super League in an extraordinary development on the eve of Uefa’s announcement of a new Champions League format.

Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur have signed up to the breakaway plan with only Manchester City among the Big Six yet to do so, sources with knowledge of the development have told The Times.

The Super League development is a direct challenge to Uefa which is to announce its new 36-team Champions League format on Monday, to come into force from 2024. The European governing body had thought it had seen off the threat of a breakaway but is now involved in urgent talks with other football bodies about the new development.


Uefa had succeeded in winning the support of the European Club Association (ECA) board and the European Leagues but it emerged today that the Super League threat had been revived with the ECA chairman Andrea Agnelli, also the Juventus president, appearing to throw his hat in with the breakaway clubs led by Manchester United and Real Madrid.
Other members of the ECA board, who had agreed to the new Champions League format, and Uefa officials have attempted to contact Agnelli since Saturday evening but one source said he “has gone off the radar”.

Uefa insiders insist they will press ahead with the announcement for the new-look Champions League which will see clubs playing 10 group matches instead of six.
If the Super League clubs do not back down then the dispute is likely to end up in courts given that Uefa and Fifa have promised to ban any clubs and players who take part in breakaway competitions from their tournaments such as the Euros and the World Cup.
The Times revealed in January that a proposal document showed founder members of a proposed European Super League would be offered up to 350million euros (£310million) each to join the competition.
There would be among 15 permanent founding members and five other clubs, who would qualify on an annual basis. They would be split into two groups of 10 and play between 18 and 23 European matches a season.



The Super League proposals include:
- The 15 founder clubs sharing an initial 3.5billion (£3.1billion) euro “infrastructure grant” ranging from £310million to £89million per club which can be spent on stadiums, training facilities or “to replace lost stadium-related revenues due to Covid-19”.
- The format would see two groups of 10 clubs who play home and away, with the top four from each group going through to two-legged quarter-finals, semi-finals and a one-legged final.
- Matches would be midweek and clubs would still play in domestic leagues
- Clubs would have rights to show four matches a season on their own the digital platforms across the world
- Income from TV and sponsorship would favour the founding clubs: 32.5% of the pot would be shared equally between the 15 clubs, and another 32.5% between all Super League clubs including the five qualifiers
- 20% of the pot would be merit money “distributed in the same manner as the current English Premier League merit-based system” according to where clubs finish in the competition or group if they don’t make the knock-out stage
- The remaining 15% would a “commercial share based on club awareness”
- A cap of 55% of revenues permitted to be spent on salaries and transfers (net)
- A ‘Financial Sustainability Group’ would monitor clubs’ spending
The emergence of the written proposals led football’s authorities to take unified action to combat the threat. A Super League would be disastrous for the Champions League which relies on the glamour of the top clubs to attract broadcasters.
 
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slartibartfast

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Blimey. I honestly cant say I'm surprised. That disgusting cluster fk of an idea to rig CL qualification has just made me think they can all go fk themselves.
Can see me being done with football in next few years if this greed doesnt stop.
 

yankspurs

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Only replacing UEFA which needs to be gone anyway. No Europa or Conference for the time being. Still in the league. Works for me. I’m in.


Just need to replace FIFA too and the game will be good to go.
 

muppetman

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So at the moment it's a declaration of interest rather than a firm commitment to actually do this - or have I misunderstood?

If that is the case then I can see why Levy would sign up to be involved in the disucssions. If it's a firm commitment I'm somewhat less impressed.
 

Thewobbler

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Pure greed from the 15 permanent clubs which this super league will benefit. Who would they realistically be and how would they choose them.
 

GutBucket

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Sounds great for founding clubs, easy money that you count on in front, unlike CL qualification. Kind of sucks for others, if I understand this correctly (probably not).
 

Marty

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I posted this in the thread in General football as well.

It's extremely disappointing.

What I really don't think the clubs are considering at all is how many fans would stop giving a toss not just because of the principle of the breakaway, I think they have to be aware of the pushback against that so have to bargain on new (likely overseas) fans cancelling out the ones who fall away, but how many fans who stay will get tired of the team traveling round Europe getting hammered every game.

Someone has to finish bottom, some have to finish mid table. You're taking teams who's fans are used to winning (obviously Spurs are a massive exception there) and giving them a much smaller chance of silverware and a much larger chance for a dreadful and boring season where your team is beaten more often than not.

If Juve have two or three seasons near the bottom, what will their fans think then? If the fans stop caring and stop going to games because Juve can't compete with the cash cows, will Agnelli still think this was a good idea?

There are so many many ways this could go extremely wrong and only very very few ways it can be a success. I'm frankly devastated Spurs have signed up for this even if it most likely is just a way to put more pressure on UEFA to get on with the Swiss model plans (which is also a terrible idea). We should have the cojones to take a stand and stay well away.
 

wrd

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I posted this in the thread in General football as well.

It's extremely disappointing.

What I really don't think the clubs are considering at all is how many fans would stop giving a toss not just because of the principle of the breakaway, I think they have to be aware of the pushback against that so have to bargain on new (likely overseas) fans cancelling out the ones who fall away, but how many fans who stay will get tired of the team traveling round Europe getting hammered every game.

Someone has to finish bottom, some have to finish mid table. You're taking teams who's fans are used to winning (obviously Spurs are a massive exception there) and giving them a much smaller chance of silverware and a much larger chance for a dreadful and boring season where your team is beaten more often than not.

If Juve have two or three seasons near the bottom, what will their fans think then? If the fans stop caring and stop going to games because Juve can't compete with the cash cows, will Agnelli still think this was a good idea?

There are so many many ways this could go extremely wrong and only very very few ways it can be a success. I'm frankly devastated Spurs have signed up for this even if it most likely is just a way to put more pressure on UEFA to get on with the Swiss model plans (which is also a terrible idea). We should have the cojones to take a stand and stay well away.

I think this only replaces the European cup rather than replaces the league itself
 

GutBucket

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I posted this in the thread in General football as well.

It's extremely disappointing.

What I really don't think the clubs are considering at all is how many fans would stop giving a toss not just because of the principle of the breakaway, I think they have to be aware of the pushback against that so have to bargain on new (likely overseas) fans cancelling out the ones who fall away, but how many fans who stay will get tired of the team traveling round Europe getting hammered every game.

Someone has to finish bottom, some have to finish mid table. You're taking teams who's fans are used to winning (obviously Spurs are a massive exception there) and giving them a much smaller chance of silverware and a much larger chance for a dreadful and boring season where your team is beaten more often than not.

If Juve have two or three seasons near the bottom, what will their fans think then? If the fans stop caring and stop going to games because Juve can't compete with the cash cows, will Agnelli still think this was a good idea?

There are so many many ways this could go extremely wrong and only very very few ways it can be a success. I'm frankly devastated Spurs have signed up for this even if it most likely is just a way to put more pressure on UEFA to get on with the Swiss model plans (which is also a terrible idea).
Clubs would still play in domestic leagues. This is basically CL 2.0, except with 10 clubs in the group with 4 best going to qtr finals.
 

Marty

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I think this only replaces the European cup rather than replaces the league itself
18 matches minimum is essentially a league no matter what they claim.

Fuck just the six CL group games can be tedious enough sometimes. Treble that? Hard pass.
 

allatsea

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Sounds great for founding clubs, easy money that you count on in front, unlike CL qualification. Kind of sucks for others, if I understand this correctly (probably not).
Interesting but it also means if I have understood correctly no more new Chelseas or Man City’s. It seems like a lock up for those lucky enough to get in from the beginning.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Lots of politics as always with the big super clubs vs UEFA etc. The CL changes sound not needed but this breakaway tournament is pure greed and capitalism and it would start to signal the end for many purist fans. Sport should always be based on merit, the money side of the game has skewed this with financially doping clubs having an unfair advantage if x number of clubs now just automatically always qualified for this new tournament that just defeats the whole point of sport and qualification based on merit.

This idea doesn’t sit well with me at all :(
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Interesting but it also means if I have understood correctly no more new Chelseas or Man City’s. It seems like a lock up for those lucky enough to get in from the beginning.
Pretty much. Fine for us but so very unfair on so so many other clubs. Not cool.
 

GutBucket

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Interesting but it also means if I have understood correctly no more new Chelseas or Man City’s. It seems like a lock up for those lucky enough to get in from the beginning.
Yeah, basically franchising for founding clubs. Can't relegate, guaranteed big money every year, making those clubs financially more secure. It would make it even easier for clubs to run risky business in transfer market though, inflating it for everyone else. But it will happen anway.
 

Inq

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Just seems like a money grab. The beauty of the game is that teams like Leicester can make a push and become a great team. With this it takes that away when a team like them can’t reap the rewards of doing suddenly well. Not a fan of locking on teams due to money.
 
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