Director of Football - Yes or No?
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Any appointment must come with the endorsement of the manager. If Levy forces an appointment without the managers input and agreement then it will fail.
Dan Ashcroft
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Hell yes.
All the people I'd like to see take over this summer (Andre Villas-Boas, Didier Deschamps, Jurgen Klopp, Louis van Gaal, hell even Mourinho) work under a DoF system:
Reinaldo Teles (Porto)
Jose Anigo (Marseille)
Michael Zorc (Dortmund)
Christian Nerlinger (Bayern)
Jorge Valdano (Madrid)
As well as Txiki Begiristain, Franco Baldini and Jorge Valdano (if Mourinho stays) might be other good options for us.
All the people I'd like to see take over this summer (Andre Villas-Boas, Didier Deschamps, Jurgen Klopp, Louis van Gaal, hell even Mourinho) work under a DoF system:
Reinaldo Teles (Porto)
Jose Anigo (Marseille)
Michael Zorc (Dortmund)
Christian Nerlinger (Bayern)
Jorge Valdano (Madrid)
As well as Txiki Begiristain, Franco Baldini and Jorge Valdano (if Mourinho stays) might be other good options for us.
felmani26
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Interesting and good info DA.
It remains to be seen whether we will be at a competitive disadvantage in terms of attracting players so surely the logical step is to make sure we have a fantastic scouting network in identifying top class players and have a conveyor belt of talent coming through so as to place less reliance on the likes of Modric and Bale should we indeed cash in on our prize assets.
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Depends on the people in the system, on paper it's the right way to go, but if the people don't see eye to eye or the manager doesn't want one (like Harry) then it's little point and will fail.
Dan Ashcroft
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Just a thought. Villas-Boas and Baldini recently met. La Gazzetta Dello Sport thought it was to discuss the pair of them taking over Roma.
Perhaps though it's Levy who has been busy assembling this dream team :shrug:
Baldini, like Villas-Boas, has links with London and would be popular with the likes of Dawson, Hudd and Lennon (he's known as one of Capello's 'good cops' in the England setup).
Perhaps though it's Levy who has been busy assembling this dream team :shrug:
Baldini, like Villas-Boas, has links with London and would be popular with the likes of Dawson, Hudd and Lennon (he's known as one of Capello's 'good cops' in the England setup).
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Alternatively Levy appoints a DoF and he then hires a manager.....
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rabbikeane
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Arnesen wanted Jol, and convinced Levy to make him assistant.
Santini was Levy's man, a big name to satisfy the supporters.
StartingPrice
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Yes. Always in favour of it.
This. 'Arry stated, when he came in that he would do so only so long as he had sole control of transfers. Levy stated that he still intended to pursue his long term vision of incoroporating the DOF system into the fabric of the club, but that, for the tenure of Mr Redknapp he would put this into abeyance. I still think his long term strategic vision is the correct one, but he can't, now, impose a DOF on 'Arry - either sack 'Arry, hire a DOF and then a coach happy to work with him, or leave 'Arry in situe and keep the DOF system in abeyance until 'Arry leaves.
Sometimes, when I concentrate very hard, I can come close to intuiting his thought patters, and then...
mg:
This. 'Arry stated, when he came in that he would do so only so long as he had sole control of transfers. Levy stated that he still intended to pursue his long term vision of incoroporating the DOF system into the fabric of the club, but that, for the tenure of Mr Redknapp he would put this into abeyance. I still think his long term strategic vision is the correct one, but he can't, now, impose a DOF on 'Arry - either sack 'Arry, hire a DOF and then a coach happy to work with him, or leave 'Arry in situe and keep the DOF system in abeyance until 'Arry leaves.
Sometimes, when I concentrate very hard, I can come close to intuiting his thought patters, and then...
mg:
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It amuses me how many people see the "lone manager/DOF" issue in black and white.
People forget that there are many other factors involved than simple "get a DOF and all will be well".
We hear lots of debate on which is the best system. Frankly, I think both have merit.
The issue here is not just about which system you go for, it's about who the people are appointed in those roles, how well they work as a team, and how well the Chairman relates and communicates with them.
People say that the DOF system wasn't working during the Jol & Ramos era and called for Commoli's head. We now recognise that actually the man made some good signings and wasn't all that bad at his job. So where was the problem? Maybe he just didn't get on with head coachs. Maybe everyone was good at their job, but they just didn't like working as a team.
Some people assume that with Redknapp the problem lies with the lack of DOF. But how do we know that is the problem? Redknapp may not be the best at selecting targets, but the way he talks about "the chairman" in interviews (when previous it was "Daniel") and the way it's all done suggests that there may be a strained relationship. We have seen the in past with the treatement of the likes of George Graham (like him or loath him) and Martin Jol that Levy could be quite devious. Maybe Redknapp finds that hard to work with, and perhaps even the DOF set up suffered from that as well as the Jol/Commoli miscommunication.
My point is that you can go and get all the best people but they still all need to be able to work together as a team and sing from the same hymn sheet. If that doesn't happen then there is a problem. It could be tha the DIF system is better, but that at the time the manager you have works more effectively without one. Or possibly even vice versa.
That's why I don't think it's as simply as "if we get a DOF all will be well". I think it's something that serious thought needs to be put into.
People forget that there are many other factors involved than simple "get a DOF and all will be well".
We hear lots of debate on which is the best system. Frankly, I think both have merit.
The issue here is not just about which system you go for, it's about who the people are appointed in those roles, how well they work as a team, and how well the Chairman relates and communicates with them.
People say that the DOF system wasn't working during the Jol & Ramos era and called for Commoli's head. We now recognise that actually the man made some good signings and wasn't all that bad at his job. So where was the problem? Maybe he just didn't get on with head coachs. Maybe everyone was good at their job, but they just didn't like working as a team.
Some people assume that with Redknapp the problem lies with the lack of DOF. But how do we know that is the problem? Redknapp may not be the best at selecting targets, but the way he talks about "the chairman" in interviews (when previous it was "Daniel") and the way it's all done suggests that there may be a strained relationship. We have seen the in past with the treatement of the likes of George Graham (like him or loath him) and Martin Jol that Levy could be quite devious. Maybe Redknapp finds that hard to work with, and perhaps even the DOF set up suffered from that as well as the Jol/Commoli miscommunication.
My point is that you can go and get all the best people but they still all need to be able to work together as a team and sing from the same hymn sheet. If that doesn't happen then there is a problem. It could be tha the DIF system is better, but that at the time the manager you have works more effectively without one. Or possibly even vice versa.
That's why I don't think it's as simply as "if we get a DOF all will be well". I think it's something that serious thought needs to be put into.
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I've voted no.
It all depends what you mean by 'Director of football'. Head scout, academy manager, board liaison?
I don't know enough about our scouting department to know how effective it is, but the academy is doing fine and Levy is very hands on, especially with regards to transfers, so I don't think a 'DoF' is necessary.
It's easier for a DoF to be successful when trying to rejuvenate a club, it's a lot harder to move the club that extra step from CL wannabes to established top 4.
And its difficult to know exactly how productive a Dof actually is. We bought Sandro without a DoF, and that has turned out very well. And we bought plenty of rubbish with Comolli.
I doubt Harry would be happy.
It all depends what you mean by 'Director of football'. Head scout, academy manager, board liaison?
I don't know enough about our scouting department to know how effective it is, but the academy is doing fine and Levy is very hands on, especially with regards to transfers, so I don't think a 'DoF' is necessary.
It's easier for a DoF to be successful when trying to rejuvenate a club, it's a lot harder to move the club that extra step from CL wannabes to established top 4.
And its difficult to know exactly how productive a Dof actually is. We bought Sandro without a DoF, and that has turned out very well. And we bought plenty of rubbish with Comolli.
I doubt Harry would be happy.
felmani26
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It's definately a longer term strategy than just merely appointing another manager and it does require cooperation from the board, the intermediary (DoF) and the playing and coaching staff - as long as this vision is shared by all and that they all know their specific roles and boundaries then I think it's well worth the effort which hopefully pays dividends in the long term.
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I'd have to go Goat. Because while I think it will happen, it's completely dependent on who you install as a DoF. If they are great, then you have a good system. If they aren't, you get a bucket of shit.
