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The problem for Utd is their player turnover has been pretty big with crazy transfer fees and wages
And the Glazers syphoning off money and mortgaging the assets for their own benefit
The problem for Utd is their player turnover has been pretty big with crazy transfer fees and wages
I hope you are right. This is why nation states should never be owning our clubs. It’s our own fault, we welcome anyone with money.Crooked politicians of the current government lobbying on behalf of the Saudis is one thing , interfering with a judicial panel made up of eminent King's Counsel lawyers and former Deputy High Court judges is another thing.
By the time a verdict is given current load of spivs and conmen/women might have been thrown out in the next election.
And considering UK governments have often lost cases in UK law courts not sure the judiciary are that scared of the Government.
Doing a marvellous job. It’s all Fergusons fault for being a greedy sod with Rock of Gibraltar.And the Glazers syphoning off money and mortgaging the assets for their own benefit
Abu Dhabi government agencies were involved in the charges made by UEFA and UEFA weren't afraid to make those charges so obviously weren't worried about any intervention by governments.I hope you are right. This is why nation states should never be owning our clubs. It’s our own fault, we welcome anyone with money.
The Premier League are dealing with a government. It’s a different ball game.
PIF claimed diplomatic immunity in a court case in USA in a case brought by the PGA. Refused various docs which had been requested. Chairman of PIF is the chairman of Newcastle.
The Saudis stated in the court case that he is a sitting minister in the Saudi government.
PIF were allowed to buy Newcastle as they said they were not connected to the Saudi government.
Thst is now disproved, as if we didn’t know. The silence is deafening from the Prem Lge.
I really hope you are right SirHarry and while I have raised doubts about the investigation, it is not because I don't feel as outraged as you do, I just don't want to raise my expectations. But I appreciate your posts because they do give me a glimmer of hope that City might finally get their comeuppance.Abu Dhabi government agencies were involved in the charges made by UEFA and UEFA weren't afraid to make those charges so obviously weren't worried about any intervention by governments.
Both UEFA and CAS are based in Switzerland so if Man C had been banned would Abu Dhabi government start threatening the Swiss , the UAE is Switzerlands biggest trading partner in the middle east.
I don't know if City are going to be found guilty on the most serious charges depends on what new evidence the PL have but I am sort of confident that the Government would be taking a huge risk if they tried to interfere in the investigation of Murray Rosen KC and his team of lawyers.I really hope you are right SirHarry and while I have raised doubts about the investigation, it is not because I don't feel as outraged as you do, I just don't want to raise my expectations. But I appreciate your posts because they do give me a glimmer of hope that City might finally get their comeuppance.
But more important than seeing City punished retrospectively, which would cause a lot of chaos with other clubs' legal challenges, etc what I would really love to see is FFP properly taking hold, and all the loopholes for obvious breaches and connected party sponsorship etc being completely closed.
If the likes of City, Chelsea and Newcastle really have to operate within their own revenue parameters moving forward, it will finally level the playing field and allow clubs like Spurs to finally reap what they have sown with years of genuine growth, strategy and working within the agreed rules.
Of course City have changed their trajectory permanently now, but it cannot be overlooked that Mansour's strategy went beyond the pure finances. They wooed and backed one of the greatest managers of all time, they have recruited very sensibly when we compare their approach to United's, or Boehly at Chelsea. They have never paid ridiculous sums for individual players, but focused on building incredible squad depth. Their high wages and onfield success has allowed them to buy players at reasonable transfer fees.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not praising them because I like or admire what they have done. I despise how they were allowed to cheat the rules and dominate on the back of it. I mention these points only to stress that it isn't only about money though, and therefore, thankfully, not that easy to replicate.
Chelsea are intent on showing that right now, while United have spent absolutely insane amounts of money since Fergie left and have gone backwards. PSG haven't been able to buy a Champions League despite throwing more than enough money at the problem. City had a clear aligned strategy backed by endless wealth, but they needed all the pieces in place to achieve what they have.
What I find so exciting right now is that we finally seem to have a similarly aligned strategy, and the revenue streams from the stadium to really put it in place and back Ange properly, provided that FFP really does start baring its teeth.
If City are really punished I will be as happy as the next football supporter. But even if they get away with it, as long as it can't be repeated, as long as Saudi can't do the same with Newcastle, or the next sovereign state or wealth fund, then I'll be pretty content with that too.
Have to wonder if the Saudi's have the apetite for that.I don't know if City are going to be found guilty on the most serious charges depends on what new evidence the PL have but I am sort of confident that the Government would be taking a huge risk if they tried to interfere in the investigation of Murray Rosen KC and his team of lawyers.
CAS in their summing up were very critical of Man City's non cooperation in the UEFA case ,found them guilty and fined them £8.5 million pounds. Even if City escape the most serious charges , 35 charges of obstruction may produce a points deduction , we will have to wait and see.
With Newcastle I think so many checks are now being made on sponsorship and income even with their mega rich owners they will not be able to follow what City were doing when they were taken over. They will have to follow the Levy example of building up the legal streams of revenue over many years.
Yes that's right do they have the appetite for the long term, unless the PL relax FFP rules don't see how they can spend fortunes as City did.Have to wonder if the Saudi's have the apetite for that.
One of the big appeals for Abu Dhabi was that they could essentially turn City into a powerhouse overnight, that in turn got fans and such on side so they are able to rename the stadium and then invest into the area and turn City essentially into a franchise.
All to really really sportswash their image. Abu Dhabi is now one of the most visited places and the City group are seen as a model operation.
Abu Dhabi doesn't get as much negative press as it did 10-15 years ago.
Saudi have been working on their tourism and it is only really starting to get going but they need to be seen positively in the public eye and get the same level of PR, the failure of the Saudi League and a long struggle to get Newcastle to the top may halter that.
Yet Saudi is definitely still getting negative press so do they get tired after sometime if Newcastle are floatig between 5thn and midtable? And does something else become more appealing? A club in France or Spain?
I doubt most people will care or be able to do anything about it if they do.There'll be hell to pay if City are perceived to have been dealt with leniently. I think they could well be given a long transfer ban (or cap) on top of points deductions over a few seasons. They might even be given a lower FFP threshold for a few seasons. Whatever it is, I hope they can't get it out of the way in a single season being as they've cheated for nigh on a decade.
They were not officially larger but aren't some of the accusations against both of them (Chelsea and city) that brown paper exchanged hands?The key to footballing success is a triangle of Money/Manager/Players so levelling the playing field financially doesn't guarantee success.
Although City and Chelsea fundamentally cheated, their revenues weren't larger than United's or much larger than Liverpool's (although City have achieved that now).
They still needed the right managers and to buy the right players.
I've always defended Levy because his sole interest was to get to the stage where we had the money to compete in the first place.
Now we pretty much have the money it's the manager and player purchases that will take us over the line.
And since we've had that money over the last couple of seasons we haven't got a lot wrong.
Interesting that ManU have just successfully head hunted ManC's Chief Football Operations OfficerAnd the Glazers syphoning off money and mortgaging the assets for their own benefit
At the very least, it looks like next 1 - 2 windows, we will have a upper hand in transfer market.
But then upper hand in PSR only matters if we are willing to push the boat.
IMO, in summer, we really have to push the envelope for the no9 Kane replacement. Richy is fine but we need better. With PSR issues for most clubs, we have to take advantage of the situation and push for that 1 big transfer
The striker position is going to be interesting to watch. I think the last few seasons we have been scoring 60-70 league goals per season with Kane in the team, and this season we are on track for more like 80 goals without him... not to mention all the injuries. I'm not having a dig at Kane of course, but I wonder what Ange will be thinking about that position in the summer.I agree we could have the leeway to get ahead in player recruitment and squad building - the problem is who.
Not many strikers even at £100mil who will guarantee the goals we need.
The list is very short and even those on it are a huge gamble - untried in epl and that’s without even knowing if selling club will sell, player wants to come to us.
I agree we could have the leeway to get ahead in player recruitment and squad building - the problem is who.
Not many strikers even at £100mil who will guarantee the goals we need.
The list is very short and even those on it are a huge gamble - untried in epl and that’s without even knowing if selling club will sell, player wants to come to us.
Out of them the only guarantee for me would be Kane. Yeah we are in a situation where we have more leeway with ffp but any big big money signing - as manure have found out - if unsuccessful would cut that leeway dramatically as you are left with a lemon on high wages with reduced sell on!Agree, but a gamble only we can take and not others. Precisely because we can take, number of suitors will be less. What could have been a field of 120 or 150m deals could be now 100m deals.
IMO, we should try for Osimhen, Luis Openda , Lautaro. And even Kane (if incase he wants to come back). There's no guarentee either way
Out of them the only guarantee for me would be Kane. Yeah we are in a situation where we have more leeway with ffp but any big big money signing - as manure have found out - if unsuccessful would cut that leeway dramatically as you are left with a lemon on high wages with reduced sell on!
Like our friend ndombele but on a higher scale