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sunnydelight786

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Looks like the Northern press/City fans didn't take too well to our chant to them on Sunday......

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ws/man-city-attendances-average-fans-11975875

Manchester City fans were again on the receiving end of THAT taunt, this time at Tottenham - so how does it hold up to scrutiny?

They were at it again at White Hart Lane on Sunday, fans with no sense of history and no comprehension of irony. “Where were you when you were s**t?” the Tottenham fans sang at the near-3,000 Manchester City fans, questioning the fealty of an away support that had spent a fortune and endured a ten-hour round trip to support their team.

Even when you factor in the truth that football chants rarely have their roots in reality, but rather tend to be a vulgar attempt to hit a nerve, throwing that particular nonsense at City fans is just daft. Especially when, for the past 13 seasons – which pre-dates Sheikh Mansour's revolutionary takeover – the Blues have had bigger attendances than the north Londoners.

Ah, you can hear the the Cockerel crow, but Spurs have been almost at full capacity during that period – and that is true, hence the current re-build to create a new 61,000-seater stadium. But even when you delve back in the history books to when City truly were “s**t” and Tottenham had a bigger capacity, the taunt does not hold up.

From 1982 to 1986 City, and football in general, were in decline. The Blues spent two of those seasons in the second division and did not finish above tenth – they averaged 26,981 in a stadium that held 48,200.

In that same period, Spurs had a thrilling team which included Glenn Hoddle and exotic Argentina internationals Ossie Ardile and Ricky Villa. They won the FA Cup and Uefa Cup, and finished in the top four in three out of five seasons. In that spell, they averaged 28,830 in a stadium that held 52,600. Less than two thousand fans more than the struggling Blues.

Any City fan who can fit that into a riposte chant is a genius! And it's not just Tottenham fans who are guilty of such misplaced ignorance – City's support stands up alongside anyone in the country in terms of consistency. No-one has the right to call them fair-weather fans.

Jealous fans of other Premier League teams have completely re-invented their attitude to City fans, over the last eight years. Back in the day, the Blues were generally well-liked, partly because they were not United, partly because they were no threat to the established big clubs, and partly because their fans had a reputation for not taking themselves too seriously.

As with every other club, success – and rising ticket prices - has brought a new breed of fan to City. But the core of their support remains, even if many of them can no longer afford to go to every game, and tend to pick and choose their games.

And that hard-core of loyal away support tends to be the people who HAVE stuck with City from the lean times, fans who have enjoyed the full football experience, from Barnsley to Barcelona.

They were the people who were still supporting their team as they slipped to their first defeat of the season at White Hart Lane.

And if the wishes of opposition fans come true, and one day City are plunged back into relative obscurity, they are the fans who will STILL be cheering on their sky blue heroes, whether it be Shaun Goater or Sergio Aguero.
 

buttons

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How does this stuff get published?! I am in the wrong job...

My view, City fans generally are ok. They have, in the majority, stuck with the club through the thick and thin (and it was very thin for a while). They are however now the equivalent of Chelsea or United in that they are a magnet for the teenage glory supporter.
 

Mattspur

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Looks like it hit a nerve.

Anyway, on Sunday, the answer to the question "where were you when you were s**t"? Was quite clearly: Sitting in the away end. :sneaky:
 

cider spurs

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To be fair, I don't mind the City fans. Yes there's no denying that the vast cash injection has helped their cause, but I still find myself able to have a decent debate with a few.

Now the red half of Liverpool, well...

I've got a mate ( yeah, I know ) if I ever get the upper hand when discussing football, he still wheels out the old " we won it 5 times" does me nut.

Why can't he be more like my other mate (showing off aren't I ) He's a West Ham fan, just been down the bookies to back them to get relegated. Good lad. Always liked him.
 

guiltyparty

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Hmm not sure some of that stacks up. For a start, we averaged over 30k when we were in division 2 in 77/78, the very definition of "where were you when we were shit? At the fucking game".

Also we averaged 35k when we won the cup in 82, so he's chosen a specific time period to make his point. That said, we seem to have had some appalling average attendances in the mid-80s, starting with the UEFA win, when we had a great team, competing in the league and getting to cup finals. Anyone know why that was? I have a blind spot in my memory/history as I was very young.

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/toth.htm

But to be fair, I can see why it's hit a nerve. They're not a Chelsea, who have attracted loads of complete celebrity non-Chelsea fans to a club that was always a top tier club but a bit shitty, at just the wrong time. It's given them, through the Sky propensity to act like nothing pre-Premier League happened, the illusion of historical importance that isn't there, but their fans and the media are all too happy to buy into.

Yes City are an oil money club, but it's Manchester City, no one suggests they're historically important, they came through on the second wave of investment, and support doesn't seem to have been infiltrated yet to that degree. Most City fans I know are real football fans, old-school City, who have a slightly "well, what do you know?" approach to the whole thing. It's almost like a pure experiment in 'has finance fucked football'.

I really don't hate City as, like Qatar getting the World Cup, it feels to me like if they win, they just prove what we all know to be true but people don't want to admit.

But anyway, bantz innit. Don't take it so seriously, chap
 

Drink!Drink!

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I can see why they bite on this

to be fair that chant should be aimed at chelsea and at chelsea only

they had poor attendances when they were chip, and a huge part of their fanbase weren't supporting chelsea, or even any football team, before the premier league
 

worcestersauce

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I assumed it was meant jokingly on Sunday, a bit of a tradition because they always come back with "we were here when we were shit" I'm sure Spurs fans realise that.
Chelsea, now there's a different story because when they were shit most of them hadn't seen the inside of a football ground.
 

Rocksuperstar

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Great article, can't wait to read his opinion on why Oasis are in fact not just a shit Chas n Dave
 

Francis Gibbs

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tbf always saw Citeh and Everton for that matter as similar to us ..... but inevitably when the the oil money came rolling into town
they acquired a whole new fan base and a general sense of entitlement both of which are pretty distasteful.
 

danielneeds

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tbf always saw Citeh and Everton for that matter as similar to us ..... but inevitably when the the oil money came rolling into town
they acquired a whole new fan base and a general sense of entitlement both of which are pretty distasteful.
i always find this arguement strange. Surely if you're looking to change a club from an underachiever to one which competes with the very best, changing the mindset of the fans is one of your critical jobs. Essentially they have to expect the team to win every week, because the players need to have that pressure on them too.
 

youngyids

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i always find this arguement strange. Surely if you're looking to change a club from an underachiever to one which competes with the very best, changing the mindset of the fans is one of your critical jobs. Essentially they have to expect the team to win every week, because the players need to have that pressure on them too.

I guess he meant way more tourist and teenage Fans than before, which is natural obviously as you usually follow the more succesful teams rather than let's say Burnley If you are young and/or from abroad.

The Main difference between City Fans (whether young or old) and Chelscum ****s is the fact that you can still have a normal conversation about football with City Fans (even some Tourist fans), whilst I am yet to meet a decent Chelscum Fan.
 

CowInAComa

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In fairness to them, there wasnt much difference in swapping a Chelsea shirt for a City one. Just different shades of blue.
 

tommo84

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A few years ago I was heading home from (I think) Spurs v Cardiff as City fans were heading back to Manchester from the League Cup Final win over Sunderland. I got chatting to a few of them on my train through MK and they were a decent bunch, but said that they were fed up with the amount of 'Southern City fans' that the club had attracted thanks to their recent success (and oil money). They were self-aware enough to comment that that kind of fan was exactly the sort of fan that they had taunted the Manchester-based United fans about for years and so it didn't sit right with them that so many of the City fans at Wembley that day were Johnny-come-lately's from London suburbs.

So while City's loyal support over decades - including their stint in the 3rd tier in the 90s - is to be applauded and is well known, when opposing fans sing that particular chant I'd suggest it's a valid dig at those fans of a certain age (perhaps not in the away end at the time) who wouldn't recognise Franny Lee in a line-up, have never heard of Mike Summerbee, and who if not for the money of Sheikh Mansour would probably be wearing a darker shade of blue and be cheering on Chelsea.
 

southlondonyiddo

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I stopped reading the article when it said our capacity was 52,600 in the early to mid eighties. What a load of bollox

The last time WHL capacity was over 50k was way back in 1977 when we got over 50,000 v Bolton
 
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