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When Will Sherwood Hold Our Wingers (Lennon, Townsend, Sigurdsson) Accountable?

TH1239

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I've found it interesting to see the reaction of a segment of our supporters here to the loss against Chelsea last weekend. People seem to be blaming our recent poor play on issues like "character" and "passion," when, in my opinion, our biggest problem all season has been the inability of our managers to play our best attacking players together.

AVB made a huge mistake freezing out Adebayor, and bizarrely dropped Eriksen for a period of games after the West Ham loss, leaving us devoid of creativity. Sherwood, for his part, loaned out Holtby (who has done well at Fulham) and has benched Soldado, Eriksen (his most egregious mistake by far and one that single-handedly cost us three points in my opinion) and Paulinho at various moments recently in favor of players who have long failed to produce any quality in the final third of the pitch.

The single biggest issue for us is the complete lack of productivity we've gotten from our wingers. You CANNOT play with one striker and have two wing forwards who are completely unable to create clear cut chances or score goals. Yet we have among the least productive (as far as end product goes) wingers in the entire league with Lennon, Townsend, and Sigurdsson. The former two have exactly 2 goals between them and 1 assist. The two goals consisted of a cross that happened to go into the net and a deflection off a defender. The 1 assist was a simple ball Lennon played to an offside Defoe. While Sigurdsson played well against Norwich nearly 6 months ago, he's been one of the poorer attacking players whenever he's gotten a chance since his first half goal against Chelsea (he's been exceptionally mediocre in all of the games Sherwood has started him in).

In total, Lennon, Townsend, and Sigurdsson, who at various times this season have formed 2/3rds of our attacking front, HAVE COMBINED TO PRODUCE ONE SOLITARY ASSIST in OVER 3600+ league minutes! That isn't a typo. Re-read that statistic out loud and let it sink in for a minute. Can anyone find me another trio or even duo of wingers anywhere in the EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 or Serie A that can match that level of futility? Is it any coincidence that two of our worst losses this year (West Ham & Norwich) came in games when 2 out of these 3 players featured in a 4-3-3 formation on the wings (edit--It was actually Cardiff at home where Townsend and Lennon started together, but Townsend was brought on as a substitute before Eriksen against Norwich when we desperately needed a goal late)?

Why, given the overwhelming evidence available to him, does Sherwood continue to start these three unproductive players? I mean, when you mix in Bentaleb with two of the above wingers, you're putting pretty much the entire onus of scoring and creating on Adebayor and Eriksen (that is if Sherwood even picks Eriksen).

If you want to talk boldly about players having to earn their wages, why not target those who have been incredibly unproductive for the entirety of the season? What does it say about Sherwood's judgment if he "trusts" these players over others who have a history of better work product?

Adebayor, Soldado, Paulinho, Eriksen, and Chadli have all scored goals and created clear cut chances for other players during Sherwood's reign, yet these five players have never started a game together. Why?

Character and passion are fine traits, but talent matters. The most talented players in our squad need to play together. That didn't happen under AVB and it hasn't happened under Sherwood, and it is a prime reason why we are in this period of turmoil.
 
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Gbspurs

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What do you want him to do, give them a jolly good spanking?

They are the wingers we are stuck with until the summer, where I'm sure things will change.
 

double0

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Sherwood has criticised the collective group/squad and not individuals like the TH1239 has suggested...which many myself included thought correct.

Agree our forwards have been shit but so has our defence now thats not all Sherwoods thought. The players have to take responsibility its as simple as that and in my eyes so clear to see.
 

teok

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This is what happens when you put a guy with zero management experience in charge of a top 5/6 premiership club. The meltdown at the weekend is a perfect example of that. Every one knows he is a dead man walking.
 

jezz

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Agree with the op here.
Playing with dross is hardly motivating for the more intelligent players.
Wonder how many assists, goals Lamela, Eriksen and Holtby would have if they played together.
This is both AVB and Tims fault for not trying this combo of players.
Seeing the above combo would get me excited and surly Loris Verts would love a chance to perform with better players.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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to Lennon's credit, he helps out defensively, allows Walker to get forward, frightens defenders with his pace, and we ALWAYS look better when he plays. ok so he hasn't improved, can't cross a ball, can't shoot, doesn't create and doesn't score, but I feel goals and assists are overrated. one of each by mid-March is plenty IMO.
 

SpursManChris

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I've found it interesting to see the reaction of a segment of our supporters here to the loss against Chelsea last weekend. People seem to be blaming our recent poor play on issues like "character" and "passion," when, in my opinion, our biggest problem all season has been the inability of our managers to play our best attacking players together.

AVB made a huge mistake freezing out Adebayor, and bizarrely dropped Eriksen for a period of games after the West Ham loss, leaving us devoid of creativity. Sherwood, for his part, loaned out Holtby (who has done well at Fulham) and has benched Soldado, Eriksen (his most egregious mistake by far and one that single-handedly cost us three points in my opinion) and Paulinho at various moments recently in favor of players who have long failed to produce any quality in the final third of the pitch.

The single biggest issue for us is the complete lack of productivity we've gotten from our wingers. You CANNOT play with one striker and have two wing forwards who are completely unable to create clear cut chances or score goals. Yet we have among the least productive (as far as end product goes) wingers in the entire league with Lennon, Townsend, and Sigurdsson. The former two have exactly 2 goals between them and 1 assist. The two goals consisted of a cross that happened to go into the net and a deflection off a defender. The 1 assist was a simple ball Lennon played to an offside Defoe. While Sigurdsson played well against Norwich nearly 6 months ago, he's been one of the poorer attacking players whenever he's gotten a chance since his first half goal against Chelsea (he's been exceptionally mediocre in all of the games Sherwood has started him in).

In total, Lennon, Townsend, and Sigurdsson, who at various times this season have formed 2/3rds of our attacking front, HAVE COMBINED TO PRODUCE ONE SOLITARY ASSIST in OVER 3600+ league minutes! That isn't a typo. Re-read that statistic out loud and let it sink in for a minute. Can anyone find me another trio or even duo of wingers anywhere in the EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 or Serie A that can match that level of futility? Is it any coincidence that two of our worst losses this year (West Ham & Norwich) came in games when 2 out of these 3 players featured in a 4-3-3 formation on the wings?

Why, given the overwhelming evidence available to him, does Sherwood continue to start these three unproductive players? I mean, when you mix in Bentaleb with two of the above wingers, you're putting pretty much the entire onus of scoring and creating on Adebayor and Eriksen (that is if Sherwood even picks Eriksen).

If you want to talk boldly about players having to earn their wages, why not target those who have been incredibly unproductive for the entirety of the season? What does it say about Sherwood's judgment if he "trusts" these players over others who have a history of better work product?

Adebayor, Soldado, Paulinho, Eriksen, and Chadli have all scored goals and created clear cut chances for other players during Sherwood's reign, yet these five players have never started a game together. Why?

Character and passion are fine traits, but talent matters. The most talented players in our squad need to play together. That didn't happen under AVB and it hasn't happened under Sherwood, and it is a prime reason why we are in this period of turmoil.
WTF? How the hell can Sig and Townsend be held accoutable to matches they've not played in? They haven't even played in 20% of Sherwood's matches! You didn't really think this one through did you.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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In total, Lennon, Townsend, and Sigurdsson, who at various times this season have formed 2/3rds of our attacking front, HAVE COMBINED TO PRODUCE ONE SOLITARY ASSIST in OVER 3600+ league minutes!

But..but...Lennon is good at tracking back though :woot:
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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I feel goals and assists are overrated.

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Gassin's finest

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I think it's the setup Lennon plays in now.

He was at his best when he had Corluka behind him... a RB he knew would rarely venture forward too far, wouldn't try to overlap, and just let him bomb on... always looking for the simple give and go to run onto. With Walker, who is what used to be known as a wing back, Lennon has to be more of a traditional right sided midfielder, which he does well to be fair, but kind of nullifies his strengths.

I do agree that he is far too comfortable now, doesn't seem to be that competitive, and I was hoping that Lamela was going to be the huge improvement on him. Sadly, that's not panned out at all.

As for the LW... after the sale of Bale we no longer have a traditional LW player other than Townsend... and imo he's a vastly overrated and one dimensional player... run fast, close your eyes, hit it as hard as you can. Eriksen and Sigurdsson are central playmakers in truth. And even though I like Siggurdson I genuinely feel that he is an average player.

So I don't hold our wingers individually accountable at all. I hold whoever is picking them, and then playing them in that position or system accountable.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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The club is ruining his development playing him out wide, he's never going to excel in this position.
Sigurdsson just isn't very good. the sooner we realise this and stop playing, the better for all concerned.
 

Spurs_Bear

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Agree with the op here.
Playing with dross is hardly motivating for the more intelligent players.
Wonder how many assists, goals Lamela, Eriksen and Holtby would have if they played together.
This is both AVB and Tims fault for not trying this combo of players.
Seeing the above combo would get me excited and surly Loris Verts would love a chance to perform with better players.

Sorry but that is bullshit and cant be used as an excuse for players not playing to the top of their game. See Bale for us, and CRonaldo for Man United. Real players stand up and be counted, they don't sulk saying they aren't playing with similar caliber players.

And Holtby? Good one.
 

dagraham

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I keep saying it but we have assembled a squad devoid of creativity, passiing ability and intelligence. In the final third where it counts we are very poor. Its not just the wingers/WF's. When two of your CB's are the most cultured footballers in the team that's not a good sign imo.
 

raf18

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And this is why Lamela should have been allowed to play as many games as possible earlier in the season. He was more productive than the others despite not settling in well. Seeing that the poor productivity has continued is no surprise.
 
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