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lifeof...

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To get it out of the way 1st, We need at least 2 new strikers. So moving on.

The thing that perhaps sticks out most for me, is Harry’s lack of rotation. In fairness this is the 1st time in his recent career he has had this issue to deal with / learn. Without going back and counting we will have played something like 50 odd games, several would have been 2 in 1 week. This doesn’t just affect the players physically, but mentally as well, especially the younger players for the latter, and the former for the older players. Mental fatigue, makes you slower to react, decreases your concentration, and affects your drive to perform……ring any bells with several of our players in the last 5-6 weeks?

Perhaps the best Manager at rotating the squad is Sir Alex, who also just happens to be super successful, sometimes it does back fire for a particular match, but with only 4 losses and a 19th crown, Plus a place in the Cl Final, it isn’t detrimental!

There are several players who have suffered from Harry’s lack of rotation, (you know them) and that equally means Spurs have as well. When you look at our home form, our results against teams in the lower part of the division, and some of our performances, which several have been lackluster. Recently, I have noticed comments on here, of lazy Bale, He isn’t, but to me he did look “fatigued” to put it politely, not just physically but mentally as well.

Surely in the game now, it isn’t about keeping 11 players happy, but 16-18 not unhappy? More game time for Kranny, would probably resulted in him staying, Bale not tired, when we needed him most, perhaps equally Modric and VDV could have done with a week off here and there? Would GDS really have been any worse than our 3 strikers? Bassong form last season to this? One could certainly argue, the lack of game time didn’t help him…What will happen with Hudd and Sandros next season, If one is always second fiddle, how long will they stay? do we really want to 1. Forcing 1 of them to look at another club for game time, do we really want to be losing players of this quality? 2. Draining the other into to both physical and mental fatigue? Any player can get Injured, But the more abuse your body takes, the easier it is to injure it. Do we really need to increase Modric, Bale, VDV, Sandros chance of injury?

Obviously you want your best players, playing most games….but them playing at their very best, you want the back up players, to feel part of the winning team, an important part of the cogs that make the whole. Rotating your players to rest some, and to give important games time to others, is all part of creating a successful team, Its not like you left them at home, they are on the bench, to come on if required.

The Europa has been much discussed, to be in or not in, I can see both sides of the argument, Playing in Europe does increase our profile, It will surely make Harry rotate. And wining things is always good for the sole, But equally wining both the league cup(or whatever its called) FA Cup and Prem :grin: Will be Pretty damn good. I think it is fair to say, that IF we are in Europa, then 1 of these 3 cup games becomes a detriment to us, and therefore should be treated as a “reserve game” and I wouldn’t mind so much, which was chosen, But overall I would rather have the “problem” to deal with, than no game at all.

Whilst, as Galas said, This season has not been a success, their has been a some good and memorable performances and moments, and it would be wrong to call this season a failure, perhaps a season of some lessons, some harsh, learned, of which if applied can be the building blocks for future success. The up and coming window, will be critical, in not just who we buy, but also who we retain, One thing is certain, whoever has the privilege of wearing the Spurs strip, Rotation is the key to success, we failed at this year, Let us learn from it, and improve from it…..Harry are you listening?Eek
 

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Mental strength.

True winning mentality - the type that carries you through games against Blackpool, Wolves and WBA, as well as Inter, Milan and ArseScum:hump:
 

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Agree with that. Rotation ought to be used, and IF we do get the Euro spot then that will have to happen. I can't see Harry being interested in anything except a Prem League assault next season - which does leave us with a big squad doing nowt for most of the time. Sure, go for the win over Liverpool - go for the Glory and all that.
If we have any ambition to be a Champ League regular in seasons to come, then the team must be used to playing that many games during a season. I hope Harry has realised that our end of season tail off might have been avoided with greater use of the resources available to him.
In addition - I have learned this season that the Spammers are going down, and are in massive trouble, and it gives me no joy at all ..... ;-p
 

StartingPrice

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Agree with that. Rotation ought to be used, and IF we do get the Euro spot then that will have to happen. I can't see Harry being interested in anything except a Prem League assault next season - which does leave us with a big squad doing nowt for most of the time. Sure, go for the win over Liverpool - go for the Glory and all that.
If we have any ambition to be a Champ League regular in seasons to come, then the team must be used to playing that many games during a season. I hope Harry has realised that our end of season tail off might have been avoided with greater use of the resources available to him.
In addition - I have learned this season that the Spammers are going down, and are in massive trouble, and it gives me no joy at all ..... ;-p

Really? I have just been think how funny it would be if we do, as rumoured, take their best player off them, in Parker (for no other reason), their stadium deal collapses (whether we get, or want, it or not), and they get relegated:dance:
 

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I know everyone says we have a great squad, but it's ballbags really. Outside of our first XI we don't really have enough quality. Behind Corluka there's nothing (Kaboul isn't a right back and Hutton isn't a footballer). Rose has shown we have cover for left back apart from Bale. If we take Bale out we can't replace his pace, same as Lennon. The three strikers are each as bad as each other (Pav slightly better than Defoe though :wink:). Central midfield has proven to be our strongest area where each of them have come in and done a job at one time or another.

The drop in quality from the first XI to the second is so high that rotation becomes pretty tricky. I know we all love Kranjcar, but he isn't really a left sided midfielder, perhaps could have been given games in Rafa's place, but you can't really blame Redknapp for wanting a match winner like Rafa on the pitch as much as possible.

Ferguson is great at rotating, but then he has quality throughout the squad and they all have the right attitude.

We don't have enough in reserve that are like for like replacements. Or at least replace similar attributes. We need someone with pace that can play on the flanks if Bale or Lennon is out for example.
 

lifeof...

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Mental strength.

True winning mentality - the type that carries you through games against Blackpool, Wolves and WBA, as well as Inter, Mialn and ArseScum:hump:

Thats very true, i noticed against blackpool, only 4 players seemed to playing, not giving it up and trying to get the 3rd goal, Gallas, VDV Modric and Sandros, the rest seemed to be on auto pilot.... Wining mentality, comes from wining, and being in mentally strong state. its easy to lose it, or perhaps harder to keep it if you are mentally and physically fatigued
 

lifeof...

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I know everyone says we have a great squad, but it's ballbags really. Outside of our first XI we don't really have enough quality. Behind Corluka there's nothing (Kaboul isn't a right back and Hutton isn't a footballer). Rose has shown we have cover for left back apart from Bale. If we take Bale out we can't replace his pace, same as Lennon. The three strikers are each as bad as each other (Pav slightly better than Defoe though :wink:). Central midfield has proven to be our strongest area where each of them have come in and done a job at one time or another.

The drop in quality from the first XI to the second is so high that rotation becomes pretty tricky. I know we all love Kranjcar, but he isn't really a left sided midfielder, perhaps could have been given games in Rafa's place, but you can't really blame Redknapp for wanting a match winner like Rafa on the pitch as much as possible.

Ferguson is great at rotating, but then he has quality throughout the squad and they all have the right attitude.

We don't have enough in reserve that are like for like replacements. Or at least replace similar attributes. We need someone with pace that can play on the flanks if Bale or Lennon is out for example.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this, i don't see man u back players as really any better than ours, apart form our strikers, who, as we all know have been shite. its why i mentioned GDS, could he have been worse than our strikers, i think not, better possibly, but we never had the chance to find out...making people part of the team, will increase there output, ktanny could have been very good for us, in Bale role, / VDV role....when required to give them a break.

I would add that, as stated, the lack of rotation has cost us, proof in the pudding as it were
 

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I know everyone says we have a great squad, but it's ballbags really. Outside of our first XI we don't really have enough quality. Behind Corluka there's nothing (Kaboul isn't a right back and Hutton isn't a footballer). Rose has shown we have cover for left back apart from Bale. If we take Bale out we can't replace his pace, same as Lennon. The three strikers are each as bad as each other (Pav slightly better than Defoe though :wink:). Central midfield has proven to be our strongest area where each of them have come in and done a job at one time or another.

The drop in quality from the first XI to the second is so high that rotation becomes pretty tricky. I know we all love Kranjcar, but he isn't really a left sided midfielder, perhaps could have been given games in Rafa's place, but you can't really blame Redknapp for wanting a match winner like Rafa on the pitch as much as possible.

Ferguson is great at rotating, but then he has quality throughout the squad and they all have the right attitude.

We don't have enough in reserve that are like for like replacements. Or at least replace similar attributes. We need someone with pace that can play on the flanks if Bale or Lennon is out for example.


This is so true and why I believe Redknapp has not rotated as much as most of us would like.This is also why this window is so important,as our attacking game is most effective when we make best use of our pace down the flanks and we must find a back up or even a better wide midfielder than Lennon who can also play left when Bale needs a rest.
 

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I think we will have to agree to disagree on this, i don't see man u back players as really any better than ours, apart form our strikers, who, as we all know have been shite. its why i mentioned GDS, could he have been worse than our strikers, i think not, better possibly, but we never had the chance to find out...making people part of the team, will increase there output, ktanny could have been very good for us, in Bale role, / VDV role....when required to give them a break.

I would add that, as stated, the lack of rotation has cost us, proof in the pudding as it were

None of our back up have pace, so we miss Lennon and Bale an awful lot when they are out. Especially when so much of our game is a fast counter attack.

As for Giovani, please, he's not good enough, and he has a poor attitude. He'd have stayed if he showed a desire to play and prove himself. Maybe he'll get one last chance, but it's stupid that fans still hold out this light for him. Why did Barca get rid? Because his attitude is wrong, and he's not that good.
 

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None of our back up have pace, so we miss Lennon and Bale an awful lot when they are out. Especially when so much of our game is a fast counter attack.

As for Giovani, please, he's not good enough, and he has a poor attitude. He'd have stayed if he showed a desire to play and prove himself. Maybe he'll get one last chance, but it's stupid that fans still hold out this light for him. Why did Barca get rid? Because his attitude is wrong, and he's not that good.

Surely it's the managers job to have a 'plan b' (some would argue we don't even have a plan a) and not to leae us in a situation that when our most important players are not on form we can change it up and still win games. It's something Fergie has almost perfected over the years. (Admittedly Man U do have about the best squad in the league.)

If we don't have direct replacements for Lennon and Bale (I agree we don't) then we should be looking to play in a different style that doesn't completely rely on pace all the time.
 

felmani26

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Mental strength.

True winning mentality - the type that carries you through games against Blackpool, Wolves and WBA, as well as Inter, Mialn and ArseScum:hump:

But I don't necessarily think that's been the case this year - how many times have we come from losing postitons to gain either a point or all 3?

Also we have scored far more goals in the last 10mins than I ever can remember us scoring, although this may be disproved by facts but it's still a valid point to make this season.

No, the problem stems from gifting silly goals away due to the space we allow the opposition to occupy and the lack of closing down or urgency in us to regain possession back.

I also recognise the striking problems but thats not even a contentious issue.
 

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But I don't necessarily think that's been the case this year - how many times have we come from losing postitons to gain either a point or all 3?

Also we have scored far more goals in the last 10mins than I ever can remember us scoring, although this may be disproved by facts but it's still a valid point to make this season.

No, the problem stems from gifting silly goals away due to the space we allow the opposition to occupy and the lack of closing down or urgency in us to regain possession back.

I also recognise the striking problems but thats not even a contentious issue.

Read again:shrug:

We obviously didn't come from behind to beat Blackpool, Wolves, etc.
The point was that having a true winning mentality means staying focussed and winning games against the bottom clubs, as well as the top clubs.
 

stemark44

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That Harry Redknapp washes his hands of responsibility more times than Pontius Pilate.
 

felmani26

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Read again:shrug:

We obviously didn't come from behind to beat Blackpool, Wolves, etc.
The point was that having a true winning mentality means staying focussed and winning games against the bottom clubs, as well as the top clubs.

But it's still attributes of a winning mentality so you can't argue against that but I agree we need to find a more ruthless streak against the so called 'lower' opposition.
 

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But it's still attributes of a winning mentality so you can't argue against that but I agree we need to find a more ruthless streak against the so called 'lower' opposition.

1) I am arguing against IT.

2) I was arguing against your specific assertion that coming back from losing positions shows that we have a winning mentality - in contradisticnction to my assertion that we don't have enough of a winning mentality if we only display it for big games. Having a winning mentality is something that applies to any opposition, not just the big games. And as we clearly didn't display a winning mentality against the bottom 5 clubs (8 points from 30, remember), we clearly haven't adapted our resilience against the bigger clubs into more rounded winning mentality (which would mean turning up without an atitude that we just would win against lower opposition).

Perhaps I should have blocked the portion I was responding to because (I think) I agreed with the rest of it.
 

mpickard2087

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Surely it's the managers job to have a 'plan b' (some would argue we don't even have a plan a) and not to leae us in a situation that when our most important players are not on form we can change it up and still win games. It's something Fergie has almost perfected over the years. (Admittedly Man U do have about the best squad in the league.)

If we don't have direct replacements for Lennon and Bale (I agree we don't) then we should be looking to play in a different style that doesn't completely rely on pace all the time.

Well said :clap:, this is absolutely true IMO regarding not having a plan B
 

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At what stage were we supposed to rotate and with whom? For most of the season we have not had Huddlestone and have been lost central defenders the whole season, does anyone think that had King, Woodgate, and Dawson been fit for the whole season there wouldn;t have been a bit more rotation?
In midfield we have no back up for Bale and Lennon for speedy wide wing play, we only got Pienaar in during January and he got injured too as did Palacios other than that we did change the mid field about. We could have rotated the right back position as we did in the first half of the season but then Hutton got injured and Benoit seemed perfectly happy playing regularly at left back bearing in mind we haven't had Danny Rose all season.
In that situation rotation becomes merely changing to a poorer side which isn't the same thing at all.
So what have we learned this year? We've learned that teams will not only play for a draw at White Hart Lane they will also do it at their own grounds and that is something that we didn't have to face last season and so we have gained experience that Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal have lived with for years now.
 

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I know everyone says we have a great squad, but it's ballbags really. Outside of our first XI we don't really have enough quality. Behind Corluka there's nothing (Kaboul isn't a right back and Hutton isn't a footballer). Rose has shown we have cover for left back apart from Bale. If we take Bale out we can't replace his pace, same as Lennon. The three strikers are each as bad as each other (Pav slightly better than Defoe though :wink:). Central midfield has proven to be our strongest area where each of them have come in and done a job at one time or another.

The drop in quality from the first XI to the second is so high that rotation becomes pretty tricky. I know we all love Kranjcar, but he isn't really a left sided midfielder, perhaps could have been given games in Rafa's place, but you can't really blame Redknapp for wanting a match winner like Rafa on the pitch as much as possible.

Ferguson is great at rotating, but then he has quality throughout the squad and they all have the right attitude.

We don't have enough in reserve that are like for like replacements. Or at least replace similar attributes. We need someone with pace that can play on the flanks if Bale or Lennon is out for example.

Hutton isn't a footballer? Laughable. Corluka is the most over-rated player in our squad. He is as slow as a four year old fat kid and offers very little when in attacking positions. Yes, he is decent defensively, but often that is negated by his lack of pace. I'm not saying Hutton is amazing but he offers far more going forward than Charlie. Neither are any great shakes but are both decent right backs. Saying Hutton isn't a footballer though is absurd.

I agree though, with your comment about a lack of pace and quality from our subs. Far too often when you look to the bench for someone who can provide a bit of a spark and be left with Defoe, Pienaar, Niko and Jenas. Not exactly a bench with the 'IT' factor with regards to changing a game.

It showed just how useful and imperative having pace and quality on the bench really is, when Harry brought Lennon off the bench for those few games recently. He was electric and really made a difference.
 

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That some of our players and our manager aren't good enough to achieve what we hoped to achieve ?
 

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That some of our players and our manager aren't good enough to achieve what we hoped to achieve ?

and perhaps that our manager isnt ambitious enough for our club? Thats the conclusion im coming to based on his recent utterances.
 
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