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So anyone know the odds on VAR shafting someone out of winning the World Cup?
So anyone know the odds on VAR shafting someone out of winning the World Cup?
Can't completely agree with this. Definitely it is over-used right now, but I do also think there's a tendency for decisions to be different viewed in slow motion. What I mean is that not all contact in the box is a penalty, but i do think that under VAR looking at something in slow motion they will give a penalty every time if there is contact. We'll see...Odd way of putting it. I think generally VAR gets the "correct" calls - so nobody would be "shafted"
But, I think VAR is over-used, and really should be limited to "obvious" errors, instead of nitpicking over a couple of inches on an offside call, or a shirt grab.
One more for debate: https://streamable.com/6qnis
NE 3-2 Toronto is how it finished. Giovinco just scored a penalty, 89 mins, then this happens. Straight red. Nothing for the NE player who tried to grab the ball.
Suppose you do have to send Giovinco off for raising his hand, but the NE player instigates it to disrupt the restart and gets nothing. But given the context - last minute, just scored, trying to restart quickly and then interfered with by an opponent - maybe the ref should be more lenient and understanding. A comment on the /soccer reddit forum says the same ref (Mark Geiger) has a habit of giving out reds. If you look at his recent record, https://uk.soccerway.com/referees/mark-geiger/82588/, 4 reds in the last 7 games
He didn't give a clear pen for NE vs DC United in 2015, which could have made it 2-2, and Jermaine Jones ended up pushing him (got rightly sent off..) then Jones said in a statement: 'The problem is not only this game. It’s always the games when Geiger has us. These are really important games. If you have a referee that cannot handle it, and D.C. say they have a problem with him and we say we are not happy with him, then something is wrong.' as well as apologising....
Anyway, nothing here means Giovinco shouldn't have been sent off. Just that they've got a ref who knows where his red card is and isn't afraid of using it.
Earlier in the season, Giovinco was punched by a Chivas player and nothing was given even though it was seen, and Mark Noble earlier this week (without VAR...) The problem with VAR, as ever, is trusting those in charge of it.
It was definitely a penalty, as was the Peru one.Looking at today's games at WC thus far. Not called upon when required, correct decisions not given when used.
Still a shambles.
Eh?What Is the point of VAR if people don’t Feel it has corrected errors or much worse made errors of its own ?
Totally agree, it has the potential to really kill the flow of the game.Really don't like VAR. I hate the whole scoring of a goal but 'let's wait and see it there was this foul or offside in the build up' before you can truly celebrate.
I honestly prefer the bit of controversy and a few wrong decisions than VAR at the moment.
My main fear with VAR is that it will undermine the officials and cause them to lose confidence in themselves. Furthermore, if you are a ref it could cause you to be lazy: Why make a call when you can just stop the game and go look at the monitor?
Totally agree, it has the potential to really kill the flow of the game.
Really don't like VAR. I hate the whole scoring of a goal but 'let's wait and see it there was this foul or offside in the build up' before you can truly celebrate.
I honestly prefer the bit of controversy and a few wrong decisions than VAR at the moment.
It was definitely a penalty, as was the Peru one.
Being used much better than it was in the FA Cup.
Peru I agree.
France...the aussie player got the ball, slight touch but got the ball.
Didn't take the bloke out from behind, very harsh penalty after VAR imo.
Yes, and I think it has been used very effectively today at the World Cup. I guess I am basing my opinion on VAR off of what has happened in the FA Cup and other domestic cup competitions. I think VAR will be good for the game, it just may take some time for the way it is implemented to be perfected, though it looks pretty good so far in the World CupAre you even watching how it's being used at the World Cup? Going back to look at decisions after play has stopped, decisions being made relatively quickly.
If you win the ball and take out a player afterwards its still a foul.Peru I agree.
France...the aussie player got the ball, slight touch but got the ball.
Didn't take the bloke out from behind, very harsh penalty after VAR imo.