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-Afri-Coy-
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1. Someone else has a tag you can use if you're going to post about me so I am afforded the chance to reply.
2. Calling someone's point of view "shit" simply because it goes against yours or others is childish at best without a decent argument.
3. The reason why I mentioned "well travelled" is because it's relevant to the argument. If one has only ever spent time in one city or place amongst your own people, your perspective is objectively smaller than someone's who spent time in multiple places/country with multiple people and therefore cultures. Nothing shit about it, just a simple fact.
No one needs to get their back up just because I offered a different standpoint in the City debate.
Are they cheats? Yes.
Do most casual football fans around the world care? Absolutely not.
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sundanceyid10
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it’s an amazing story a club with hardly a penny to their name go on to win the treble, fairy tale story.
-Afri-Coy-
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I don't think it's possible in the modern game without the money, Money and success go hand in hand, however unfair that may be.
Why does it matter if 'most' casual football fans don't care? Arguing that something is good just because most people think it is would be fallacious.
Most casual music fans don't care much about the quality of the music they listen to. They just listen to what they like. That doesn't mean there aren't objective factors one may appeal to in assessing the quality of music. The same applies to Film, TV, novels and so on.
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The reason it matters is because the majority rule, so therefore if the majority of fans actually cared about City’s cheating something would be done about it. And I’m talking about more than a slap on the wrist that we all know they’re going to get.
The fact that most casuals don’t care, is the reason the headlines will be about the “story” and how glorious their season has been.
Only reason I brought it up was as the alternative to the plastic club/cheats/hollow victory thought which is obviously the truth however it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of their season(to most fans).
In 10 years time people aren’t going to care about how they did it, but they’re going to know that City won a treble playing great football.
It’s perfectly normal to offer an opposing opinion on something without it turning into an insults match. Just wanted to offer another perspective, a perspective that’s shared by the majority of the football fan base. If that’s not how it came across then I apologise, but that was the intention.
I agree that money rules and not much will likely be done about that now.
But I'm afraid I have to disagree that people won't care about how Man C did it in 10 years. There will always be a massive asterisk next to their achievements.
Think about Chelsea. Many fans probably don't care how they won all their trophies. But still, many other fans automatically associate Chelsea's success with Roman Abramovich. In many fans' minds, they are a club that blatantly bought their success and that diminishes their achievements. Most people don't have the same degree of associations with, for example, 90s Man U even though they also spent considerable amounts.
I am old enough to remember how Jack Walker "bankrolled" Blackburn to the Premier League in 1995. Winning the Premier League was a fantastic achievement for a club of Blackburn's size. But ask fans who are old enough to remember how they did it, and many of them will tell you Blackburn won it because of Jack Walker funding them. Jack Walker bankrolling Blackburn feels very twee now, but I bring it up because even nearly 30 years later, that's one of the first things I think about when I recall Blackburn winning the league.
