Trial of new offside rule

[eViL]

Just make it first foot -vs- last foot.

Easy.

 

[Yid-ol]

Just make it first foot -vs- last foot.

Easy.

That doesn't solve the mm or thinness of line issue though?

They just need to give a margin of error, if the ref/assistant calls it offside or inside but it takes so long to see, go with on field call. If it's easy to see it's wrong, then it's changed. This would work with what you said, how it is now or proposed changes

 

[jimbo]

Doesn't this just move the problem from being is he millimeters past the furthest back part to now is he millimeters clear daylight past the last defender?

It changes nothing, it just relocates where the argument happens. VAR was going to come in and eliminate errors when, in essence, it's just another ref but further away, watching from an armchair - still a human, still opinion and this will just change what body part will be argued over.

I don't think it does - it would if attacking players change their starting position to be further forward, but if they continue to time runs from an onside position (which I expect they will) then more of the extremely marginal offside calls we've seen recently will be removed. It basically takes the 'clear and obvious' idea and applies it to offside. It should reduce the need to go to VAR and make it easier to develop an automated solution down the line.

So you can be two yards ahead but leave your leg back to stay onside? I don’t see how that’s better than what we have. Logically something like centre of gravity or hip position should be the determining factor.

To be two yards ahead with your back leg onside you'd have to be very tall, and probably lying down, so I don't think thats too likely!

 

[Yid-ol]

I don't think it does - it would if attacking players change their starting position to be further forward, but if they continue to time runs from an onside position (which I expect they will) then more of the extremely marginal offside calls we've seen recently will be removed. It basically takes the 'clear and obvious' idea and applies it to offside. It should reduce the need to go to VAR and make it easier to develop an automated solution down the line.


To be two yards ahead with your back leg onside you'd have to be very tall, and probably lying down, so I don't think thats too likely!

But does it remove it? Wouldn't you still be looking to see if the foot is a mm Infront of behind the defenders foot? The same as is an attacker mm's past or behind the defender with a body part they can score from?

I am not saying the idea is wrong, but most of the suggestions just move where VAR will be looking, which isn't the issue, it's how they stop the close calls being called wrong or giving a certain leeway with infield decisions

 

[jimbo]

But does it remove it? Wouldn't you still be looking to see if the foot is a mm Infront of behind the defenders foot? The same as is an attacker mm's past or behind the defender with a body part they can score from?

I am not saying the idea is wrong, but most of the suggestions just move where VAR will be looking, which isn't the issue, it's how they stop the close calls being called wrong or giving a certain leeway with infield decisions

I think it will depend on how it’s implemented and how players react to it. But think about how many times you see an attacker millimetres ahead of a defender - quite a lot I’d say. Then think about how many times you see an attacker almost entirely ahead of a defender - much rarer. If attackers continue to time their runs as they usually do, then we should see far fewer offsides, therefore much less need for VAR to conduct a minute analysis of the lines.

It won’t make so much difference to penalty box pinball, that is just moving the line forwards a bit.

In general though I think we’ll see fewer offsides - arguably there’s little excuse for an elite player to ever be offside with that much leeway - and that means less bullshit VAR examinations.

 

[Yid-ol]

I think it will depend on how it’s implemented and how players react to it. But think about how many times you see an attacker millimetres ahead of a defender - quite a lot I’d say. Then think about how many times you see an attacker almost entirely ahead of a defender - much rarer. If attackers continue to time their runs as they usually do, then we should see far fewer offsides, therefore much less need for VAR to conduct a minute analysis of the lines.

It won’t make so much difference to penalty box pinball, that is just moving the line forwards a bit.

In general though I think we’ll see fewer offsides - arguably there’s little excuse for an elite player to ever be offside with that much leeway - and that means less bullshit VAR examinations.

But that's because they time their runs to be inside or just caught offside just now. Change the rules then they will start running through earlier as they know they have that extra time so more chance of more offsides being clear of the defender.

Won't change the bullshit VAR as the issue with the bullshit hasn't been addressed yet.

 

[nailsy]

I think it's a good idea. It should remove that feeling of injustice you get a lot of the time when a goal is disallowed when someone is offside by a millimetre or two. This new rule gives the advantage to the attacker so if they can't time their run right and there is a MM of daylight between them and the defender then it's down to them.