Time running out for Mauricio Pochettino

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Mauricio Pochettino is heading towards the point of no return at Tottenham Hotspur as fears grow that he will not be able to salvage their season.
The West Ham United game immediately after the international break is now rated as make or break for Tottenham’s campaign, and could even prove decisive for the manager himself.

Source: Telegraph
 

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Are we really going to sack a a manager who took us to the CL final last year on a shoe string budget? It's not Poch's fault half the team have decided to sulk about their contracts.

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I know this was a season we were supposed to kick on but who saw this issue with the players coming? We knew one or two players were out of contract but I don't think anybody saw so many of them chucking the towel in like they have. Pochetino is a top top manager, just look at what he's done with our club, spending next to nothing. Personally, I'd settle for this being a transitional season now, if it means we can cut out the dead wood but keep Poch. If he leaves us, all the top clubs will want him and I'd hate to see him winning trophies with another UK team.
 
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Are we really going to sack a a manager who took us to the CL final last year on a shoe string budget? It's not Poch's fault half the team have decided to sulk about their contracts.

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I know this was a season we were supposed to kick on but who saw this issue with the players coming? We knew one or two players were out of contract but I don't think anybody saw so many of them chucking the towel in like they have. Pochetino is a top top manager, just look at what he's done with our club, spending next to nothing. Personally, I'd settle for this being a transitional season now, if it means we can cut out the dead wood but keep Poch. If he leaves us, all the top clubs will want him and I'd hate to see him winning trophies with another UK team.
No one is grateful. We call for loyalty from manager and players but we give them none
 

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Of all the mistakes Poch made, and there are many, particularly in his selections and substitutions, is, in my opinion, when he said he would quit if we had won the CL. It seemed, from that point onwards, the fight that identified our club so much was gone. I think players started to think about their own futures beyond Spurs.
levy's mistake was he didn't back Poch enough when the manager requested a complete overhaul of the team during the summer.
We are now in a real mess.
Sacking Poch would not help, as whoever big name we bring in would demand big transfers. If we can spare the cash, then why not give it to Poch to strenghen the squad?
 

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Are we really going to sack a a manager who took us to the CL final last year on a shoe string budget? It's not Poch's fault half the team have decided to sulk about their contracts.

****EDIT****

I know this was a season we were supposed to kick on but who saw this issue with the players coming? We knew one or two players were out of contract but I don't think anybody saw so many of them chucking the towel in like they have. Pochetino is a top top manager, just look at what he's done with our club, spending next to nothing. Personally, I'd settle for this being a transitional season now, if it means we can cut out the dead wood but keep Poch. If he leaves us, all the top clubs will want him and I'd hate to see him winning trophies with another UK team.
Yeah that's what they are all pissed off about, money. :banghead:
 

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Are we really going to sack a a manager who took us to the CL final last year on a shoe string budget? It's not Poch's fault half the team have decided to sulk about their contracts.

****EDIT****

I know this was a season we were supposed to kick on but who saw this issue with the players coming? We knew one or two players were out of contract but I don't think anybody saw so many of them chucking the towel in like they have. Pochetino is a top top manager, just look at what he's done with our club, spending next to nothing. Personally, I'd settle for this being a transitional season now, if it means we can cut out the dead wood but keep Poch. If he leaves us, all the top clubs will want him and I'd hate to see him winning trophies with another UK team.
Yes we should sack him if are going to get relegated.
 

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Of all the mistakes Poch made, and there are many, particularly in his selections and substitutions, is, in my opinion, when he said he would quit if we had won the CL. It seemed, from that point onwards, the fight that identified our club so much was gone. I think players started to think about their own futures beyond Spurs.
levy's mistake was he didn't back Poch enough when the manager requested a complete overhaul of the team during the summer.
We are now in a real mess.
Sacking Poch would not help, as whoever big name we bring in would demand big transfers. If we can spare the cash, then why not give it to Poch to strenghen the squad?
I'm not onboard with the constantly bringing up the CL comments. They lie months in the past, and I think that one specific presser in no way led to Tottenham not being able beat Everton and Sheffield United. But I do think the general approach to press conferences already months back revealed that something was stirring, that he was feeling frustration. However, for the CL final specifically, if I had won the CL with Tottenham I would have wanted to quit.

I do think the actual final and the defeat has played one part in the whole picture. I do think so, even if I can't fully put my finger on exactly what role the CL final played.
 

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Of all the mistakes Poch made, and there are many, particularly in his selections and substitutions, is, in my opinion, when he said he would quit if we had won the CL. It seemed, from that point onwards, the fight that identified our club so much was gone. I think players started to think about their own futures beyond Spurs.
levy's mistake was he didn't back Poch enough when the manager requested a complete overhaul of the team during the summer.
We are now in a real mess.
Sacking Poch would not help, as whoever big name we bring in would demand big transfers. If we can spare the cash, then why not give it to Poch to strenghen the squad?
We were rotting before then.
 

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I'm not onboard with the constantly bringing up the CL comments. They lie months in the past, and I think that one specific presser in no way led to Tottenham not being able beat Everton and Sheffield United. But I do think the general approach to press conferences already months back revealed that something was stirring, that he was feeling frustration. However, for the CL final specifically, if I had won the CL with Tottenham I would have wanted to quit.

I do think the actual final and the defeat has played one part in the whole picture. I do think so, even if I can't fully put my finger on exactly what role the CL final played.

IMO the CL final has led to a whole load of highly privileged people feeling sorry for themselves and unable to think about anything other than how tough life is for top level footballers and managers. They could do with a reality check.
 

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I'm not onboard with the constantly bringing up the CL comments. They lie months in the past, and I think that one specific presser in no way led to Tottenham not being able beat Everton and Sheffield United. But I do think the general approach to press conferences already months back revealed that something was stirring, that he was feeling frustration. However, for the CL final specifically, if I had won the CL with Tottenham I would have wanted to quit.

I do think the actual final and the defeat has played one part in the whole picture. I do think so, even if I can't fully put my finger on exactly what role the CL final played.
As a fan in the few days after I was feeling that that was it and that the upcoming season it was hard to get excited for knowing it would be near on impossible to get as close as we did to that big moment especially knowing deep down we wouldn't do similar to Liverpool and double down on the attempt. I wonder if the players feel a similar emotion of having to go through training, turning up everyday knowing that you'll so unlikely not achieve anything close to what you could have the season before and whether that makes it difficult to get through the motions.
 

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Of course we can only speculate as to what has, is, and will happen. Whilst results stink this season, and our form in 2019 ex CL has not been impressive, so many factors have affected us. Ground / Contracts/ CL "hangover"..... but most of all our transfer policy. Levy wants to sell our cast-offs at premium prices whilst bidding below market rate for the players Poch allegedly wants?
Been said 1000 times that Trippier had a poor season last season, but I reckon LESS THAN 5% on here would have sold him and kept Aurier, and somehow you can speculate Poch thinks the same?
Levy done brilliant on training ground and ground , but for every Bale and Modric there's a Janssen and Aurier. "Levy-time" was all the rage 5 years ago, but TV money so vast even the small clubs can tell us to do one these days.
I hope Poch turns it around, but any managerial change should wait until May.
Lets hope we are patient and loyal, and that is rewarded by a decent turnaround.
 

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IMO the CL final has led to a whole load of highly privileged people feeling sorry for themselves and unable to think about anything other than how tough life is for top level footballers and managers. They could do with a reality check.
I like your comment, I think it's entertaining, but let me be the party pooper and spoil the fun with seriousness. Money can't remove being human. Yes, they are rich. Yes, they are privileged. Yes their job is to go to to the gym every morning and kick a ball around a grass pitch every Saturday. We can't relate to that, us mortals. But we can relate to purely being human. And that's what they are, they are young humans as well with limited life experience most of them. I mean we remember being in the 20s, right? It's hard having perspective and picking yourself up. And money doesn't buy a healthy perspective, and doesn't take away the flaws of just being a human kicking a ball.
As a fan in the few days after I was feeling that that was it and that the upcoming season it was hard to get excited for knowing it would be near on impossible to get as close as we did to that big moment especially knowing deep down we wouldn't do similar to Liverpool and double down on the attempt. I wonder if the players feel a similar emotion of having to go through training, turning up everyday knowing that you'll so unlikely not achieve anything close to what you could have the season before and whether that makes it difficult to get through the motions.
I think that's one fair and quite reasonable theory. Without speculating too much, I wonder what the CL final meant to the relationship between the players and Pochettino. Did they have thoughts and wishes they felt weren't listened to? Did they feel that Pochettino got it wrong or did they have expectations to him coming through with some tactics and set up? This is JUST musings, and on Pochettino's next book I'm sure we'll hear all about it.
 

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Come on fans Pochettino has done very well. Who could have dreamed we would have made the CL final last season...not me based on what other teams have spent it was a miracle......although I feel Pochettino should have started with Lucas and not Kane.We currently have a blip but, Leicester won the Premiership a few years ago and sank but they are now back. We now have a squad just about free of injury so lets move on. I am sure Levy/Poch will ring the changes in January and we will get used to playing through CL games and Premiership games in one week.
 

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Are we really going to sack a a manager who took us to the CL final last year on a shoe string budget? It's not Poch's fault half the team have decided to sulk about their contracts.

****EDIT****

I know this was a season we were supposed to kick on but who saw this issue with the players coming? We knew one or two players were out of contract but I don't think anybody saw so many of them chucking the towel in like they have. Pochetino is a top top manager, just look at what he's done with our club, spending next to nothing. Personally, I'd settle for this being a transitional season now, if it means we can cut out the dead wood but keep Poch. If he leaves us, all the top clubs will want him and I'd hate to see him winning trophies with another UK team.
Go back to the start of the 18/19 season. Look through the list of games we've played from then until now. Count the number of games where we actually performed well. Not just won the game, but performed somewhere near the level we did almost every week between 2015-2017.

I counted 12. Out of 75 games. And one of those games was against Tranmere. We've been scraping points from games for nearly a season and a half now. This isn't a recent occurrence. It's been a steady and consistent decline with the occasional decent performance scattered in.

The last time we had back to back good performances was over the Christmas period last year, when we beat Everton 6-2 and Huddersfield 5-0. That is not good enough for a team of this quality.
 

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Come on fans Pochettino has done very well. Who could have dreamed we would have made the CL final last season...not me based on what other teams have spent it was a miracle......although I feel Pochettino should have started with Lucas and not Kane.We currently have a blip but, Leicester won the Premiership a few years ago and sank but they are now back. We now have a squad just about free of injury so lets move on. I am sure Levy/Poch will ring the changes in January and we will get used to playing through CL games and Premiership games in one week.
You mention Leicester but they've changed manager twice since their decline and now rise.
They didn't stick with Ranieri.
 

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We were rotting before then.
Yes, we were. But we did show more fight and character, and came back when we looked dead and buried last season, particularly in the CL. This season we just rolled over under pressure, even when in a winning position.
 

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I'm not onboard with the constantly bringing up the CL comments. They lie months in the past, and I think that one specific presser in no way led to Tottenham not being able beat Everton and Sheffield United. But I do think the general approach to press conferences already months back revealed that something was stirring, that he was feeling frustration. However, for the CL final specifically, if I had won the CL with Tottenham I would have wanted to quit.

I do think the actual final and the defeat has played one part in the whole picture. I do think so, even if I can't fully put my finger on exactly what role the CL final played.
Poch's demeander at the press conference this season showed an edge that wasn't there before. He was contradictory, lost his temper when he should be calm. Something is not right with his mental state with the club.
 

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Poch's demeander at the press conference this season showed an edge that wasn't there before. He was contradictory, lost his temper when he should be calm. Something is not right with his mental state with the club.
yeh, its called stress
 
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