The rule

[AngerManagement]

I see the distinction you are making, and doagree, up to a point.
We would have been guaranteed some of that revenue, and it would have been nice to have got the chance at the rest.
My main beefs, are that they were clearly focussed on allowing the CL winners the chance to defend their title, and I don't think they even thought about the implications for the side they were, somewhat arbitrarily comdemning to miss out. And, secondly, as said elsewhere, if they an change the ruling to the advantage of Liverpool, without harming Everton, as a point of principlpe, why shouldn't we ask them to do the same.

In regard to the Europa, I have been saying this for years, now - to me it is basically the same comp as the old EUFA Cup, just revamped, and that was a trophy to win, back in the day. I think it should have the same respect now.

I do think the rule is pretty clear, (even though I have no read it and don't actually know what it was before Liverpool lol) but it was basically my assumption that the situation was somewhat unforeseen when Liverpool won it and Uefa had no legislated for it as such

So it seems to me after Liverpool they made a point of highlighting the rule so that should a similar situation arise again the conditions for qualifying places to the CL and Europa were clear and could not be argued by a team that missed out.

This is basically why I think any attempt by us to get back in or be compensated will just be futile in essence and why I doubt it is worth us asking to be allowed in the competition (because I think Uefa will say they clarified the situation after the 2005 final and since then everyone has known the deal should it happen to them so no argument can be made)

In a footballing world where Ireland are laughed at for complaining about the Handball goal that sent them crashing out of the World cup I seriously doubt we have any chance of getting a positive outcome from any complaint or request we could make and if anything it would just serve to drain our resources and waste our time we should be using to make new signings and prepare for the new challenge ahead.

What I do think is it is basically a foolish rule, I don't really see any reason why they could not just allow an extra team in. Even if it kicked us back to the first qualifying rounds. Would it disrupt the numbers? would there be too many teams and it unbalance the draws to the final qualifying rounds before the group stages? (I dunno seeing as you said earlier an Irish team had to forfeit their place for Liverpool)

What I wonder is this.....do you personally think we have any chance of either being allowed in to the CL via the back door or being given compensation for lost potential revenue if we make a complaint to UEFA about our lack of CL status in spite of our fourth place finish?

If there is an actual chance we could get something from an appeal then of course we should make it, if not then we need to just put this behind us and move on asap

 

[Rout-Ledge]

It's a shitty rule. I do believe that Chelsea, as holders, have a right to compete in the CL next season. But this should not have an impact on a team finishing in the CL qualifying spots. Madness.

Even if UEFA are adamant that there can be no more than 4 teams per country in the competition, perhaps a one off CL playoff between the team in 4th and the winner would at least put the matter in both teams hands as to their fate...

 

[senseispab]

Stop effing crying about it

Its embarrassing

 

[StartingPrice]

What I wonder is this.....do you personally think we have any chance of either being allowed in to the CL via the back door or being given compensation for lost potential revenue if we make a complaint to UEFA about our lack of CL status in spite of our fourth place finish?

If there is an actual chance we could get something from an appeal then of course we should make it, if not then we need to just put this behind us and move on asap

No matter how you look at it...Liverpool were not going to be in the competition (therefore, there was no rule to permit it), and all of a sudden they were.

I honestly can't answer your question. As said elsewhere, I was answering a post where it was stated that there was absolutely no grounds for complaint. I think there are. The Journo highlighted points I hadn't thought of. Whether they would win or not in court, I cannot said - as I said, if Levy feels he has a case he does, and if he doesn't he doesn't.

Buty as pointed out above, by Star-of-Davids, UEFA clearly have the provision for allowing for a further place - just not for a country with 4 places.

Stop effing crying about it

Crying about it or feeling that there are legitimate grounds for complaint. Would you differentiate? And if not, why was it alright for Liverpool to cry about it, but not for us to?
Its embarrassing

 

[AngerManagement]

No matter how you look at it...Liverpool were not going to be in the competition (therefore, there was no rule to permit it), and all of a sudden they were.

I honestly can't answer your question. As said elsewhere, I was answering a post where it was stated that there was absolutely no grounds for complaint. I think there are. The Journo highlighted points I hadn't thought of. Whether they would win or not in court, I cannot said - as I said, if Levy feels he has a case he does, and if he doesn't he doesn't.

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Yea but I feel the difference will be for one Uefa see it as more important to have the holders defending their crown and therefore seek to ensure their enter whilst they won't care about a team that finished four in a league they probably already feel have too many clubs in the competition and when it happened to Liverpool it was more of a rule that was unclassified as by all accounts it simply left the decision for allocation in the hands of the respective FA as and when that scenario occurred (and after this incident Uefa clarified the rule to avoid a similar situation)

So Liverpool weren't excluded from the competition because of the rule that was in place but rather because there was no definitive position on the matter and there was room for discretion within the FA, after that rather than changing the rule as such they simply removed the ability of the FA to select who gets the place and laid out a clear and definitive rule as to what would happen if such an event occurred again.

I know what you are trying to say, yes things were changed to make provisions for Liverpool as holders but I think (and I think this 100%) we have no chance of an appeal because it was more an over sight by Uefa that they later updated to avoid such an event again and now they have laid it out clearly and everyone has known the situation for numerous years and is basically the way Uefa want it now (where as before they wanted the current holders to defend their crown) nothing will be done to change the current situation even if we try.

I agree that the journo's made an interesting post, I don't know if it constitutes grounds for complaint as such and I certainly don't think it offers us grounds for a successful appeal but it is interesting that only a club with four births would be affected by this rule and there clearly are provisions to award extra spots in the competition (as would happen if a league with a lower allocation were in this situation) it basically comes down to there being a cap on the number of births a nation can have in the competition but unfortunately that cap is just part of the rule, it may be foolish and frustrating, but its a rule that has been set and clarified and there is no room for discretion or manipulation like there had been with Liverpool's entry and as such I am certain there is no chance we will be able to successfully appeal our entry to the competition or successfully gain compensation of any kind.

As for Levy, well I think he may or could launch legal action even if there were very little chance of success. I don't think he is opposed to wasting time and or resources chasing his tail (as we saw with the whole Stratford incident)

I hope I am completely wrong, I hope Levy successfully challenges UEFA and we get back in the CL but I just can't see it happening.