The reality of no European football

[ReadieSpur]

Another shot of positivity from Trix. Again.

 

[Misfit]

I know a lot of fans didn't want the conference league but it does now throw up some new problems.

If you've been frustrated in the past with our "sell before we buy" narrative it's now just increased tenfold.

Before we even think about incomings or promoting youth we will have a first team squad of 34 players when they all return from loan.

There is so much to do and without a head coach and DOF this currently looks like an impossible task without having a fire sale.

I have little to no faith that such a radical overhaul - not quite but reasonably close to the one needed when ENIC first came in but made in a very different footballing landscape - will again be possible under the current chairman and board.

The margins for error are much tighter and the financial realties vastly different. The same old habits and routines they will not let go of will no longer produce the same results.

IMO.

 

[Phil_2.0]

We need a reality check with this summer. Fans will obsess over incomings but this summer has to be all about clearing the decks.

Fans also need to understand some of our players are worthless. Saw some people claim Eric Dier is worth 10m, we might get a crate of Neck Oil for him if we are lucky.

If we get 50m all together for the Dozen or so players we need to sell we could count ourselves extremely fortunate.

Reguillon - max value 10m if we get lucky and a lower down prem team sees him as a reclamation project
Ndombele - back to France on loan, worth almost nothing
Lo Celso - might get lucky and get 15-20m of Villa for him as Emery is a fan
Lloris - 0
Dier - 0
Winks - a few mill max
Rodon - max 6 or 7 mil from a top table championship club
Tanganga - almost 0
Sanchez - few mil
Perisic - 0
White - 500k max
Davies??? - 0
Sessegnon??? - max 10m if a team lower down the Prem likes him but we would be lucky
Gil??? - biggest value is to a Spanish club and they are all broke. I would like to see him stay

Approx 50m in value for 12 players we have probably spent 250m on. It is so bad

We won't sell all of them but fans have to realize these boys are worth very little, Europe has no money, a lot of them are on bigger wages than clubs at their real level can afford or have only one year left on their deal. We will have to pay a lot of them to go away. Levy wasted 150m last year and will sell before we buy. So don't expect any big deals unless we sell a top asset like Kane or Son.

This summer on transfers incoming i just hope we get a good keeper and CB. I would take 12 outgoings and 2 incomings. I also will be praying Udogie is the next Gareth Bale.

 

[piedpiper]

I've given up on competing at the top for the foreseeable future.....
Happy for whatever manager comes in to spend time with his team mould as much as he can with no games midweek and see where we end...

I have zero expectations going forward.

 

[brasil_spur]

I know a lot of fans didn't want the conference league but it does now throw up some new problems.

If you've been frustrated in the past with our "sell before we buy" narrative it's now just increased tenfold.

Before we even think about incomings or promoting youth we will have a first team squad of 34 players when they all return from loan.

There is so much to do and without a head coach and DOF this currently looks like an impossible task without having a fire sale.

It is pretty grim right now and this highlights the absolute mess we’re now in.

Trying to add a bit of positivity, I actually think we have 15 or so very good players in that squad list. So without European football and assuming we keep Kane, we could go on a decent league and cups run next season, assuming we get the right manager in of course. The lack of midweek football will also help the new manager get a proper tune out of the players in his new setup.

That still leaves a lot of players to shift and really at the bare minimum we’re going to need to bring in a GK, CB and AM.

 

[Trix]

But that’s a ‘big club’ problem, not specific to spurs bar the fact Levy attempts to recoup on deals. Paying premium wages and then needing to shift players to teams that have different salary caps to us affects gooners, utd, Citeh etc too

It does mate, but they don't have our ownership and the numbers to shift that we do. It's a combination of many factors imo and the fact so many of them have been at the club for so long will also make this harder.

At seems a lot of you are happy with the situation and believe it will enforce change, I'm not at all convinced and believe it more likely the new guys will be told to reintegrate a number of them and make it work personally. Having no Europe has increased the pressure on the new guys immensely imo.

 

[piedpiper]

We need a reality check with this summer. Fans will obsess over incomings but this summer has to be all about clearing the decks.

Fans also need to understand some of our players are worthless. Saw some people claim Eric Dier is worth 10m, we might get a crate of Neck Oil for him if we are lucky.

If we get 50m all together for the Dozen or so players we need to sell we could count ourselves extremely fortunate.

Reguillon - max value 10m if we get lucky and a lower down prem team sees him as a reclamation project
Ndombele - back to France on loan, worth almost nothing
Lo Celso - might get lucky and get 15-20m of Villa for him as Emery is a fan
Lloris - 0
Dier - 0
Winks - a few mill max
Rodon - max 6 or 7 mil from a top table championship club
Tanganga - almost 0
Sanchez - few mil
Perisic - 0
White - 500k max
Davies??? - 0
Sessegnon??? - max 10m if a team lower down the Prem likes him but we would be lucky
Gil??? - biggest value is to a Spanish club and they are all broke. I would like to see him stay

Approx 50m in value for 12 players we have probably spent 250m on. It is so bad

We won't sell all of them but fans have to realize these boys are worth very little, Europe has no money, a lot of them are on bigger wages than clubs at their real level can afford or have only one year left on their deal. We will have to pay a lot of them to go away. Levy wasted 150m last year and will sell before we buy. So don't expect any big deals unless we sell a top asset like Kane or Son.

This summer on transfers incoming i just hope we get a good keeper and CB. I would take 12 outgoings and 2 incomings. I also will be praying Udogie is the next Gareth Bale.

Dier won't be ve leaving and if he were too leave he'd generate 10million plus easy.

As Mason said these players have had 4 permanent managers in 4 yrs ( and 2 temps) and are being coached differently and you expect them to be consistent.... especially in defence. we have a blasted squad yes... let's stop the scapegoating and understand the dynamics our players had to player under over the last 4 yrs.

 

[Dazza71]

Will not being in europe next season effect our co-efficient ranking? In the 24/25 season there is extra CL spots up for teams that did not qualify for CL with the highest co-efficient ranking.

 

[Phil_2.0]

Dier won't be ve leaving and if he were too leave he'd generate 10million plus easy.

As Mason said these players have had 4 permanent managers in 4 yrs ( and 2 temps) and are being coached differently and you expect them to be consistent.... especially in defence. we have a blasted squad yes... let's stop the scapegoating and understand the dynamics our players had to player under over the last 4 yrs.

A 30 year old underperforming defender with one year left on his contract is worth 10m easy? I fear he won't leave as well and he'll still be pottering around, fucking shit up.

He is worth almost nothing. Hes valueless. Manchester United have the same problem with Maguire, who also has little value.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

The reality of no european football is it is the best chance we have to completely rebuild this club from DOF down to youth. It gives the club a chance to reinvigorate, focus on building back into our ethos and style through no interruptions, plenty of time on the training pitch and an opportunity to clear out the deadwood.

If we sold/released 12ish players (3 already/about to be gone) and bought 4 in Id be happy.

we just won the U17 and U18 league cups, what we need is show a realistic route to first team for the youngsters

 

[JSpurs1]

We could actually make an accounting profit on some of these players. Ndombele joined in 2019 so amortisation etc might mean that £20m is enough to post a profit and give us a bit more to work with from an FFP perspective. Obviously from a footballing perspective and cash basis - it’s been a total disaster.

 

[Shanks]

Another shot of positivity from Trix. Again.

Serious question, what can you see that is positive?

 

[Shanks]

we just won the U17 and U18 league, what we need is show a realistic route to first team for the youngsters

Honestly pal, means nothing for first team football.

the gap is huge from u17/18 through to first team football.

we got relegated from the u21 league (I think), that’s the gap that needs bridging before first team comes into it.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

It's more than just Levy and co realising there's no choice though. Even if they have an epiphany and agree to the clear out at big loses, we then have to find clubs that want these players who have been poor for us that can actually pay the wages to get the players to want to leave.

doesn’t exactly help we have no DoF or manager yet to make assessments of what is needed

 

[Trix]

we just won the U17 and U18 league, what we need is show a realistic route to first team for the youngsters

No we won the league cups not the league's.

 

[spursfan77]

If we clear out about 10 players and sign approx 5(GK,CB x2,CM,AM) and promote some youth this is a great chance for a full and proper reset now with no Europe.

We need another window like Arnesen’s first. Lots of ins and outs. It’s pretty sensible.

But we need the DOF and manager in place asap. It’s a very similar scenario to then (when the first warning signs about levy and his recruitment of staff should have been heeded by us).

I definitely don’t see this as a negative and nobody should. It should be seen as an opportunity. But will levy? That’s the question of which we don’t know the answer. But he has before, but like I said yesterday, he doesn’t learn.

 

[aliyid]

And this was the point of the thread. I see a lot of posters seeing this as a good thing, well they've got more faith in the hierarchy that they'll do what's necessary regardless of the financial cost than I have.

While I can see where you’re coming from I don’t believe the epiphany moment will come from Levy wanting to do better but from seeing the financial impact of lowering standards on the pitch.

For me this boils down to two big elements:

• Levy side - Say what you want about him but he cares about the numbers. Finances will be hit by no Euro money, dip in existing sponsorship income and leverage on potential new deals.
• New manager side - We need a major mindset change from last three (permanent) managers. no Europe will allow time on the training pitch to drill the squad and embed a new philosophy far quicker than the reactive approach of just playing games.

If we’d made Europe it would have been chalked off as a ‘below average but ok’ season in Levy’s eyes. My hope is that this will give him the realisation he needs that we can’t continue to drift aimlessly and a change in approach / mindset is needed.

 

[Trix]

If we clear out about 10 players and sign approx 5(GK,CB x2,CM,AM) and promote some youth this is a great chance for a full and proper reset now with no Europe.

If we move on 10 and bring in 5 that still gives us a 29 man first team squad with no European football. it's still far too bloated and that's without any youngsters moving up.

 

[spursfan77]

Will not being in europe next season effect our co-efficient ranking? In the 24/25 season there is extra CL spots up for teams that did not qualify for CL with the highest co-efficient ranking.

No they dropped that idea in the end. Whoever finishes fifth goes through.

 

[hero]

Add Kulusevski and Porro + our commitment from the last summer's TW - 100 mln. invested = circa 300 mln.