The British monarchy and successive Governments haven’t had any problems making billion pound deals with the Qataris.
Qatar own huge amounts of property and companies in the UK.
Is it though? I mean if that's their plan it's clearly a failure. It's in fact having the exact opposite affect imo. The more they seem to do through sport the more the problematic issues seem to get brought into the public eye.If you want to be an apologist for a brutal dictatorship that’s using it’s oil wealth to sportswash its atrocities
The false equivalences in here are ludicrous “Joe Lewis isn’t exactly whiter than white.”
No shit. But he’s not an actual dictator with the blood of thousands on his hands is he.
I can't argue against your points they are all valid but on the flip side, none of these workers that enter Qatar to get a job would ever probably be granted any means of entering the UK or US and prob not wanted here or there either. Desperate people take risks any risk to better themselves, what the alternative stay in India, Bangladesh, Pak, Sri Lanka, They are all desperate to get out.When, in 2221, Qatar is still grappling with the institutional racism stemming from its historical embrace of slavery two centuries prior, and when descendents of those workers grapple with systemic discrimination instead of being literal slaves that have to sleep in the hallway of their country's Doha embassy for months because they're refused exit visas by their owners and are now criminals, I'll extend the same critiques of America today towards them.
Until then, your outrageous conflation of those two things is typical of the do-gooder liberal racism those of us who aren't guilt-ridden Western white folks have to face nearly every day when our experiences of actually living under these regimes is ignored and belittled by trite comparisons with the USA of all places.
You may not realise it, but telling people the "USA is just as bad as you have it" isn't just spectacularly ignorant, it's actually cruel. Tell that to someone so desperate as to go knee-deep into debt getting to Qatar/UAE, chasing a non-existent salaried position only to be greeted with unpaid/poorly paid manual labour on billion-dollar record-breaking high-rises. Tell them America is just as bad. Tell them they shouldn't bother going there.
Apparently this is offensive and I've been told off for trolling. Turning into coys isn't it.wow, what a dick.
Is it though? I mean if that's their plan it's clearly a failure. It's in fact having the exact opposite affect imo. The more they seem to do through sport the more the problematic issues seem to get brought into the public eye.
We live in the UK let's not take the moral high ground. Our history is a joke
What Britain did in yesteryear still has an impact on the countries that these people are leaving to go to places like QuatarThis is bonkers logic. So we shouldn’t oppose horrific human rights abuses because Britain has done some bad shit in history. Guess we wasted our time opposing the Nazis and the USSR then, should have kept out of it given what Queen Elizabeth the first did to all those Catholics. ??
Forgive me if I’m more concerned with people being oppressed and worked to death in Qatar in the present day than I am about what Britain did in yesteryear.
We live in the UK let's not take the moral high ground. Our history is a joke
What Britain did in yesteryear still has an impact on the countries that these people are leaving to go to places like Quatar
I don't believe that me not watching a football match is going to make the slightest difference to the Qatar regime.Of course not but if you're gonna take a stand. Take a stand.
But unless the UK is going to offer a huge amount of Visas to give people a different opportunity with different working conditions then people are going to take whatever opportunity is available to them despite the risks. So unless there is an alternative being offered it's all a bit pointless.No doubt, just as any other event in history has an effect on what’s going on today, that’s literally how time and history works. But countering criticism of Qatar by saying “what about Henry the 8th, or British actions in India in the 19th century.” Is utterly ludicrous. We can’t change what has happened in history, we can change what happens now.
This is bonkers logic. So we shouldn’t oppose horrific human rights abuses because Britain has done some bad shit in history. Guess we wasted our time opposing the Nazis and the USSR then, should have kept out of it given what Queen Elizabeth the first did to all those Catholics. ??
Forgive me if I’m more concerned with people being oppressed and worked to death in Qatar in the present day than I am about what Britain did in yesteryear.
Thats quite a jump you made, well done. I said we shouldn't take the moral high ground not that it shouldn't be opposed. Britain have done far worse than Qatar and its not all in the past either. Look at their treatment of the windrush generation and how some of them have met untimely death let alone the immigration policies.
No doubt, just as any other event in history has an effect on what’s going on today, that’s literally how time and history works. But countering criticism of Qatar by saying “what about Henry the 8th, or British actions in India in the 19th century.” Is utterly ludicrous. We can’t change what has happened in history, we can change what happens now.
I don't believe that me not watching a football match is going to make the slightest difference to the Qatar regime.
Maybe some countries are where they are now because of those things they did a couple of hundred years ago to give them a head start.The issue is that 21st Century countries shouldn't be acting like 18th Century ones, and people shouldn't be almost validating them.
But unless the UK is going to offer a huge amount of Visas to give people a different opportunity with different working conditions then people are going to take whatever opportunity is available to them despite the risks. So unless there is an alternative being offered it's all a bit pointless.