The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[glacierSpurs]

Club seems content to throw the entire season away. Disgusting.

Strangely it does seem like that. It's really puzzling our 10 months of poor performance doesn't seem to concern Levy a bit.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

You've heard of Schrödinger's cat, we have Levy's cat.

It doesn't matter if it's alive or dead, it's his fault either way.

Why is Levy killing cats?

I don’t get this world

 

[sausage]

Why is Levy killing cats?

I don’t get this world

It wouldn't be a problem if we weren't so short on cats in the first place.

 

[jimbo]

This Amazon documentary is gonna be a doozy.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

This Amazon documentary is gonna be a doozy.

Some of this

 

[bubble07]

I'm hoping we haven't become a club who is snuggly warm in our nearly men status. It seems with Poch we've found the ultimate nearly man, and a manager a lot of fans are worried about losing because this is the best we can expect.

For me, this isn't the best we should expect. We shouldn't have to settle for this, because if we do, it shows we are happy to be where we are, but scared of rolling the dice and becoming a truly big club...who wins things.

Top 4, check. CL, check, a couple of semi-finals, check. This is what we were all dreaming of for years, and now we've got it, it seems a majority of us are comfortable with our new status and scared of making that next leap.

We can tread water for another 5 years, doing the same, rolling along like we always have, or we can make a statement and go balls out for an actual world class manager. I'm certain that it will take us someone like Mourinho, for the short or long term, to elevate us into that club that does hire the best managers and buy the best players, and I think Mourinho would command that level of improvement from both the players and the owners.

I'm sick of seeing us constantly capitulate, be it the disappointment of not getting top 4, to lasagne-gate, to losing semi-finals, to not winning the CL when it was there for the taking. Is this always going to be us?

Poch for the moment is perfect, he's nearly good enough, our team is nearly good enough, the owners are nearly good enough and 60% of us, judging by the poll, are happy with it. I'm just not anymore.

Entitled? Why not? Why shouldn't we expect to win something after all these years of foundations, building and developing, otherwise what are we here for? Just to make up the numbers and give the other big clubs something to constantly laugh at? Big clubs do feel entitled and that's why we always take the piss out of ManU and Liverpool, as they expect their team to perform and win stuff. Guess what? They do.

We are just West Ham with more money at the moment. A club you can guarantee will let you down in the end. I want better now.

A little while ago our squad had the highest value squad in the world, with the best defence, a golden boot winner, and our golden age. We've now added the best stadium and the best training complex. Why are we settling for a manager who is getting worse as we are getting better? I don't have faith anymore. It's time we pulled up a chair at the big table.

We should be aiming at winning the league. Not looking at a potential relegation season. Mourinho was a failure for finishing second. We're happy with scraping 4th. As a fanbase we need to start setting our expectations higher.

Post of the year award

 

[Shadydan]

Definitely - that doesn't mean that valid criticism isn't warranted though.

I'm just seeing a load of old tired myths...

 

[Danny1]

I'm hoping we haven't become a club who is snuggly warm in our nearly men status. It seems with Poch we've found the ultimate nearly man, and a manager a lot of fans are worried about losing because this is the best we can expect.

For me, this isn't the best we should expect. We shouldn't have to settle for this, because if we do, it shows we are happy to be where we are, but scared of rolling the dice and becoming a truly big club...who wins things.

Top 4, check. CL, check, a couple of semi-finals, check. This is what we were all dreaming of for years, and now we've got it, it seems a majority of us are comfortable with our new status and scared of making that next leap.

We can tread water for another 5 years, doing the same, rolling along like we always have, or we can make a statement and go balls out for an actual world class manager. I'm certain that it will take us someone like Mourinho, for the short or long term, to elevate us into that club that does hire the best managers and buy the best players, and I think Mourinho would command that level of improvement from both the players and the owners.

I'm sick of seeing us constantly capitulate, be it the disappointment of not getting top 4, to lasagne-gate, to losing semi-finals, to not winning the CL when it was there for the taking. Is this always going to be us?

Poch for the moment is perfect, he's nearly good enough, our team is nearly good enough, the owners are nearly good enough and 60% of us, judging by the poll, are happy with it. I'm just not anymore.

Entitled? Why not? Why shouldn't we expect to win something after all these years of foundations, building and developing, otherwise what are we here for? Just to make up the numbers and give the other big clubs something to constantly laugh at? Big clubs do feel entitled and that's why we always take the piss out of ManU and Liverpool, as they expect their team to perform and win stuff. Guess what? They do.

We are just West Ham with more money at the moment. A club you can guarantee will let you down in the end. I want better now.

A little while ago our squad had the highest value squad in the world, with the best defence, a golden boot winner, and our golden age. We've now added the best stadium and the best training complex. Why are we settling for a manager who is getting worse as we are getting better? I don't have faith anymore. It's time we pulled up a chair at the big table.

We should be aiming at winning the league. Not looking at a potential relegation season. Mourinho was a failure for finishing second. We're happy with scraping 4th. As a fanbase we need to start setting our expectations higher.

Excellent post. My exact thoughts articulated in a well thought out and structured post! ??

 

[Hot-Spur]

Club seems content to throw the entire season away. Disgusting.

This is the bit I don't understand. We all know how much Levy likes making money, but throwing away a entire season,and missing out on the CL would see us losing millions, not to mention set us back years. I just don't get his thinking on this. Plus the fact then, we won't have CL football to entice anyone decent to come, and anyone we do buy Poch won't play until about 2022, so none of this makes sense, whatever way you look at it.

 

[Metalhead]

I'm just seeing a load of old tired myths...

But is it ok to present criticisms? Not saying sack him but surely he isn't above criticism? What about his reluctance to sub players off until late in the game on a consistent basis?

 

[Lighty64]

I know it’d be best for the club financially to let another club come in for him. BUT, I believe it absolutely would be best to sack him. It sends a message to the players and the world of football that we expect success. The financial loss for that statement is worth it in my opinion. It also protects the players from being labeled as the main problem when most would agree that their quality is not our downfall right now.

it might work out cheaper to sack the 4-5 can't be arsed players because I doubt anyone would buy them in January

 

[RikkiRocket]

This Amazon documentary is gonna be a doozy.

What’s it called? All or Nothing? I mean right there its a disaster. Just call it Nothing ?

 

[Shadydan]

But is it ok to present criticisms? Not saying sack him but surely he isn't above criticism? What about his reluctance to sub players off until late in the game on a consistent basis?

I was talking about Levy in response to Steve's post who was aiming a dig at Levy, just wanted to point out the hypocrisy

 

[RikkiRocket]

I'm just seeing a load of old tired Milfs

 

[jimbo]

I think we're at a bit of a crossroads (ffs, not again!) and there are a couple of possible directions the club can go - assuming they want to take a direction at all.

Option One: would be something like the Dortmund approach, be a club that focuses on developing young talent. A project team for a project manager. This is where it makes sense to stick with Poch perhaps. Though it would require some serious changes in our approach to young players (see the Spurs Youth thread). It would also likely mean saying goodbye to Kane, possibly Son too. Ultimately though, what is the point of always building but never finishing? The ultimate in sports edging. Why develop talent for other teams to take advantage of, other than for profit? Why build the new stadium? (#Levyball.)

Option Two: would be to try and take advantage of the 5 year project we've just had, with experienced players and one of the world's best strikers, to push for trophies. Requires a change of manager, and some more investment. Getting an experienced 'big name' manager in would help the recruitment, the brand and the image of the club. It likely leads to another project in a couple of seasons time, but at least we'd have had a go, daring to do. A new manager would have this season to get his feet under the desk with the chance to really push for glory for a season or two after that. At the end of that we'd have some very saleable assets with which to fund the following rebuild. (#Levyballparttwo)

Both options require significant changes and more investment. I'd much prefer the second, but I could handle the first if it was made clear that that is what we're trying to do. I know the hierachy are allergic to communicating with fans, and I understand the reasons in terms of putting our cards so publicly on the table, but the complete failure to treat fans as anything other than consumers to be milked for all eternity is a big mistake in my opinion - especially when the 'product' on the pitch is so underwhelming.

It's the continued insistence on fannying about not doing one thing or the other that has become so wearing. To repeat the words of a recent home fan: "Do something Tottenham!".

Or as the great Yogi Berra said: "When you come to a fork in the road, take it!"

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Strangely it does seem like that. It's really puzzling our 10 months of poor performance doesn't seem to concern Levy a bit.

We are just making that up thought, aren't we. We don't KNOW whether or not Levy is concerned.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Why is Levy killing cats?

I don’t get this world

Because Poch.

 

[VegasII]

I think it all hinges on the Sheff Utd game. A win and I think we’ll slowly turn it around. Lose (or a terrible draw) and we’ll change our manager.

 

[ernie78]

I think it all hinges on the Sheff Utd game. A win and I think we’ll slowly turn it around. Lose (or a terrible draw) and we’ll change our manager.

People said the same about the Everton game

 

[stonebrow]

The one's who still have at least 7 teeth maybe.

Didn’t realise those folk were around! Thought they were a myth! Seriously though, I thought the discontent would have filtered around the match going supporters by now...I can’t comment as I haven’t been to a game since WHL.