The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[dondo]

I admit I have a soft spot for El Tel and overall he was considered a pretty good manager and we won something. It all depends on your version of success and if not winning trophies but Top 4 consistently is what you want then yes Poch has done well.

However the squad we have had over the last 4 years with Poch has been undoubtedly the most talented of my lifetime. So should we not win anything with Poch in charge it will truly be a fucking travesty.

I get your point but venables had gazza and lineker in the same team and spent some decent money on some flops. Winning that fa cup was amazing but we never had any level of consistency under venables

 

[slartibartfast]

Switched to a diamond

Know you're joking but nothing wrong with any formation really. Its whatever gets the best out of the players you have. We've been putting square pegs in round holes.

You never know,sometimes we turn it on, NDombele certainly has to take the reigns of our attack from Eriksen as he can ignite and inspire....

Downside being he needs to actually be on the fkin pitch to do so lol.

 

[carmeldevil]

So it can turn around. I wonder what Solskjaer has done differently there ?

They went out to eat at KFC.

 

[coys200]

Kane 100 club just came on Sky. When you see the 16/17 team compared to this now the gap is startling. I just think that season was the moment when it all aligned and really been gradual decline since we left WHL. The CL run really did just paper over stuff. I just can’t see anyway Pochettino can get that energy back. It’s just like that great girlfriend, when it was good it was so good you just want to cling on in the hope. But in your heart you know it’s finished.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

So it can turn around. I wonder what Solskjaer has done differently there ?

The fact that OGS is turning things around at United and Poch can't seem to do it for us should be of huge concern to everyone including the board. Poch has absolutely no excuses.

 

[ardiles]

If he needs to be sacked, I wouldn’t prefer it to be at the expense of a loss to any opponent.

My preferred scenario would be .....

We’re down 2-0 to Everton. In the 85th min, poch replaces Eriksen, Rose & Aurier with Lamela , Sess and Foyth . Each of the subs score a goal within the time remaining and we win 3-2

Then against SU, he starts Eriksen, Rose & Aurier again. We trail 1-0 at half time. Poch gets the boot during the break and Pleaty comes out for the second half as caretaker coach (until we get a full time replacement). All three players are replaced at half time. In the second half, Kane & Son each score hat tricks. Lamela, Lucas, GLC & Ndombele each have a brace. We win 14-1 and in doing so, we break Leicester’s record scoreline and improve our GD.


The end.

 

[nicdic]

Kane 100 club just came on Sky. When you see the 16/17 team compared to this now the gap is startling. I just think that season was the moment when it all aligned and really been gradual decline since we left WHL. The CL run really did just paper over stuff. I just can’t see anyway Pochettino can get that energy back. It’s just like that great girlfriend, when it was good it was so good you just want to cling on in the hope. But in your heart you know it’s finished.

And yet first half of that 16/17 season we were really poor and played some utterly turgid football. It wasn’t until Swansea at home at the beginning of December that things started to properly click, followed by the switch to a back three. Second half of the season we were brilliant but the first half of the season was not good.

 

[wrd]

And yet first half of that 16/17 season we were really poor and played some utterly turgid football. It wasn’t until Swansea at home at the beginning of December that things started to properly click, followed by the switch to a back three. Second half of the season we were brilliant but the first half of the season was not good.

I know this wasnt your point but I was gutted he finally played the back 3 this season and then promptly dropped Lamela and Ndombele our 2 creative forces which allowed people to lambast the formation for lacking attacking intent. I feel like until we have a proper DM that it might have given us the solidity to kick on much like that year.

 

[slartibartfast]

As a few have said its the center of midfield thats causing the biggest problem.
We simply dont have any kind of defence in front of the back 4.
I think thats the biggest issue.
Sure Rose has been woeful, Verts and Toby wany away, we've no top notch Rb and our 1st choice Gk is injured for months as well so thats not gonna help matters but if you dont protect that back 4 any side is gonna struggle, they lose confidence and basically the wheels fall off.
Personally I'd welcome Dier back with open arms if he started.

 

[Primativ]

Agree with this.

It's also ridiculous to keep lumping in our bad form since January with what has happened this season - they're totally different set of problems. You all seem to forget that Winks was injured for most of the second half of last season meaning we had no central midfielders who were comfortable on the ball. Dele was injured and/or out of form. Kane was injured. Lamela was injured and/or out of form. Trippier had an awful season. Also fatigue was clearly affecting the squad after the world cup. On top of this we had the stadium move issue as well.

It wasn't as simple as Poch just losing his ability to manage, losing the dressing room, playing the wrong formation or whatever other over-simplified shit I keep reading on here.

Talk about being blinkered. Even if you did say these these circumstances made Poch’s job almost impossible, which is completely blinkered and you’re just burying your head in the sand, what about the obvious stuff Poch is responsible for?

Like continually picking Eriksen when he is contributing nothing. Leaving him on for the whole game against Liverpool. Picking Rose who is horribly poor. Using Winks as a DM when he’s a terrible one. What about his shit tactics and diamond formation that never works? What about every single player in our squad playing like utter shit. Coincidence? I suppose that’s just bad luck on Poch’s part right? I suppose the fact that so many players are playing poorly is outside of Poch’s control. Poor Poch. The whole world is against him. He’s got the third best squad in the league. The world best striker. He’s really up against it.

And If I hear anyone again blame last seasons poor form on the World Cup, ffs. That load of rubbish I thought was shot down ages ago. They played four games against Mickey Mouse teams. It wasn’t tiring. Even if it was, it wouldn’t still be effecting the team in February 8 months later. It should be very clear to you seeing as the poor form has continued this season that actually it had nothing to do with the World Cup. You’ll see the light eventually Justin.

 

[Primativ]

but the first half of the season was not good.

Like most seasons under Poch.

 

[jondy1]

The fact that OGS is turning things around at United and Poch can't seem to do it for us should be of huge concern to everyone including the board. Poch has absolutely no excuses.

I would hardly call scraping a 1.0 away win in the Europa league a Norwich side destined for relegation and a win at Chelsea using most of the first team against a much changed poor Chelsea side as proof of OGS managerial skills . I fully expect Bournemouth to win on Saturday

 

[wrd]

Talk about being blinkered. Even if you did say these these circumstances made Poch’s job almost impossible, which is completely blinkered and you’re just burying your head in the sand, what about the obvious stuff Poch is responsible for?

Like continually picking Eriksen when he is contributing nothing. Leaving him on for the whole game against Liverpool. Picking Rose who is horribly poor. Using Winks as a DM when he’s a terrible one. What about his shit tactics and diamond formation that never works? What about every single player in our squad playing like utter shit. Coincidence? I suppose that’s just bad luck on Poch’s part right? I suppose the fact that so many players are playing poorly is outside of Poch’s control. Poor Poch. The whole world is against him. He’s got the third best squad in the league. The world best striker. He’s really up against it.

And If I hear anyone again blame last seasons poor form on the World Cup, ffs. That load of rubbish I thought was shot down ages ago. They played four games against Mickey Mouse teams. It wasn’t tiring. Even if it was, it wouldn’t still be effecting the team in February 8 months later. It should be very clear to you seeing as the poor form has continued this season that actually it had nothing to do with the World Cup. You’ll see the light eventually Justin.

Most of your points in the 2nd paragraph I agree with, but your world cup point I disagree with completely. You think that the players shouldn't be tired because the England team played 4 average teams? you call the world cup contributing to our problems a load of rubbish but the notion we shouldn't be tired because of the teams we played is itself a load of rubbish. The reason the world cup was touted as a concern was because 9 of our players came back to the squad with about a weeks worth of pre-season, no pre-season friendlies to get match fit and had to be chucked in. That's what matters and then the subsequent burn out which leads to injuries which happened; case and point: Lloris, Vert, Kane, Dele, Dier, Rose, Dembele, Trippier all suffered injuries. Those things did affect our season last year whether you want to dismiss it or not.

 

[Metalhead]

I get your point but venables had gazza and lineker in the same team and spent some decent money on some flops. Winning that fa cup was amazing but we never had any level of consistency under venables

He was a brilliant man manager. He just should never have got himself involved in the off the field side of things.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

Most of your points in the 2nd paragraph I agree with, but your world cup point I disagree with completely. You think that the players shouldn't be tired because the England team played 4 average teams? you call the world cup contributing to our problems a load of rubbish but the notion we shouldn't be tired because of the teams we played is itself a load of rubbish. The reason the world cup was touted as a concern was because 9 of our players came back to the squad with about a weeks worth of pre-season, no pre-season friendlies to get match fit and had to be chucked in. That's what matters and then the subsequent burn out which leads to injuries which happened; case and point: Lloris, Vert, Kane, Dele, Dier, Rose, Dembele, Trippier all suffered injuries. Those things did affect our season last year whether you want to dismiss it or not.

5 points of the top after 10 games last season.

16 now. You read that right.

 

[dudu]

Talk about being blinkered. Even if you did say these these circumstances made Poch’s job almost impossible, which is completely blinkered and you’re just burying your head in the sand, what about the obvious stuff Poch is responsible for?

Like continually picking Eriksen when he is contributing nothing. Leaving him on for the whole game against Liverpool. Picking Rose who is horribly poor. Using Winks as a DM when he’s a terrible one. What about his shit tactics and diamond formation that never works? What about every single player in our squad playing like utter shit. Coincidence? I suppose that’s just bad luck on Poch’s part right? I suppose the fact that so many players are playing poorly is outside of Poch’s control. Poor Poch. The whole world is against him. He’s got the third best squad in the league. The world best striker. He’s really up against it.

And If I hear anyone again blame last seasons poor form on the World Cup, ffs. That load of rubbish I thought was shot down ages ago. They played four games against Mickey Mouse teams. It wasn’t tiring. Even if it was, it wouldn’t still be effecting the team in February 8 months later. It should be very clear to you seeing as the poor form has continued this season that actually it had nothing to do with the World Cup. You’ll see the light eventually Justin.

Let's look at this logically.

Firstly, everything happens for some reason or another, things don't just occur for no reason at all.

Considering we normally finish stronger that we start in seasons under Poch, last season's second half was a-typical was it not?

So looking at that in isolation, which I believe is fair as nothing that has happened since the CL final cant be attributed to poor form in February, what is the cause, what was different in those months?

 

[wrd]

5 points of the top after 10 games last season.

16 now. You read that right.

Explain to me how that has anything to do with the point I've made.

 

[mill]

It’ll be interesting to see if Liverpool drop off after Xmas considering that their front 3 all played in international tournaments in the summer and the level of intensity Liverpool play with

 

[Shadydan]

Explain to me how that has anything to do with the point I've made.

It doesn't, people just love to have random irrelevant rants about our team these days

 

[aussiespursguy]

The fact that OGS is turning things around at United and Poch can't seem to do it for us should be of huge concern to everyone including the board. Poch has absolutely no excuses.

The Red Star game showed a different spirit. Just sucked going to Anfield next as a lot of good teams will be spanked there. Yes the score flattered us but I dont believe its over yet. I'm keeping my powder dry till the next 2 are over. I believe the entire team (playing staff and Management) can turn this around. COYS