The Formula 1 Thread

[MotspurHotspur]

You aren’t allowed to weave. You can’t make one definitive movement. Verstappen has a history of causing accidents or making people take extreme measures to avoid them due to his antics

I think it was ok (to a degree) in his first season. It shook everyone up a little and kept them on thier toes but it's gone beyond a joke now.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Doesn’t look like he stopped turning or turned in on Hamilton…

Max Verstappen on-board footage released from Lewis Hamilton wheel-to-wheel controversy in Sao Paulo GP

The on-board footage from Max Verstappen's car during his controversial battle for the lead in the Sao Paulo GP with Lewis Hamilton, when both cars ran off track, has been released for the first time.

www.skysports.com

 

[Yid-ol]

Doesn’t look like he stopped turning or turned in on Hamilton…

Max Verstappen on-board footage released from Lewis Hamilton wheel-to-wheel controversy in Sao Paulo GP

The on-board footage from Max Verstappen's car during his controversial battle for the lead in the Sao Paulo GP with Lewis Hamilton, when both cars ran off track, has been released for the first time.

www.skysports.com

He just had too much speed going into the corner.

To me he went in too hot as tried to gain the place back, but by leaving the track (and forcing Hamilton off) he gained a lasting advantage for leaving the tracks. Still not sure how it can't be viewed any other way.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

It’s very, very suspicious that the one camera angle missing is the one on board with Max that would prove if he’s intentionally ran Lewis off the track.

With Bottas finishing within 3 seconds behind Verstappen, I wouldn’t be shocked if Mercedes protested in the hope of getting Max a retrospective 5 second penalty.

I knew this was coming the moment they didn’t pit Bottas to get the fastest lap off of Perez. They want Max to get a 5 second penalty to relegate him to third.

 

[Wick3d]

Love it, things are getting spicy. If Red Bull weren't so petty then I'm sure Merc would have let this slide, but gloves are off now boy!

 

[WalkerboyUK]

I knew this was coming the moment they didn’t pit Bottas to get the fastest lap off of Perez. They want Max to get a 5 second penalty to relegate him to third.

They haven’t got a hope in reality.
The in car footage doesn’t really show anything untoward.

 

[Wick3d]

They haven’t got a hope in reality.
The in car footage doesn’t really show anything untoward.

The stewards have only themselves to blame, Max gained an unfair advantage, and he should have been made to concede to Lewis. Instead they let this situation develop to where it is now. Mercedes have nothing to lose from this situation as well.

 

[Gingernut]

I knew this was coming the moment they didn’t pit Bottas to get the fastest lap off of Perez. They want Max to get a 5 second penalty to relegate him to third.

They couldn't have pitted Bottas to do that as Perez only pitted on the last lap but 1 - after which Bottas had already past the pit lane. He would have only have had an outlap and wouldn't get a flying lap.

 

[Gb160]

They couldn't have pitted Bottas to do that as Perez only pitted on the last lap but 1 - after which Bottas had already past the pit lane. He would have only have had an outlap and wouldn't get a flying lap.

They would've pitted him earlier, it was obvious what Red Bull were going to do with Perez. Mercedes forfeited the fastest lap because this appeal was always on the cards.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

They would've pitted him earlier, it was obvious what Red Bull were going to do with Perez. Mercedes forfeited the fastest lap because this appeal was always on the cards.

Not that simple. Had Bottas come in, Red Bull would have left Perez out and picked up 2 points by moving up a position.

 

[Gingernut]

They would've pitted him earlier, it was obvious what Red Bull were going to do with Perez. Mercedes forfeited the fastest lap because this appeal was always on the cards.

Not that simple. Had Bottas come in, Red Bull would have left Perez out and picked up 2 points by moving up a position.

Exactly @Bluto Blutarsky. not sure Merc would have taken the risk bringing him in earlier - anything could have happened.

This appeal will fail - there is not enough to prove he hasn't turned in.

 

[Gb160]

Not that simple. Had Bottas come in, Red Bull would have left Perez out and picked up 2 points by moving up a position.

Yeah I didn't think of that.

This appeal will fail - there is not enough to prove he hasn't turned in.

If it's so cut and dry makes you wonder why they'd bother.

 

[freeeki]

That footage gets Max off the hook IMO

 

[Rocksuperstar]

That footage gets Max off the hook IMO

Have a watch of that video breakdown I posted - he didn't have to ease off the steering if he's creating understeer coming off the brakes a bit early, which is what I suspected them to pick him up on when the data was analyzed.

 

[Gingernut]

Yeah I didn't think of that.

If it's so cut and dry makes you wonder why they'd bother.

I'm not sure it is completely cut and dry but it isn't sufficient to prove he did something punishable in my opinion

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

If it's so cut and dry makes you wonder why they'd bother.

It creates the narrative for future appeals - if there is contact in future races, Mercedes want to plant the idea in the heads of the stewards that Verstappen is intentionally trying to create contact to take a competitor out of the running.

 

[tobi]

They won't win the appeal, this is for the future like @Bluto Blutarsky says.

 

[Yid-ol]

That footage gets Max off the hook IMO

Gets him off the hook for trying to turn into the corner and not into Hamilton. But if Mercedes lodge an appeal the data of when he breaks and turns into that corner on other laps will be looked at. If they find he broke later and turned in later then that could be a reason as to why they could penalize Max.

The below is from an article I seen pop up on my news feed, if the reason Hamilton got done was because he didn't turn into the apex of the corner like he normally would, then it's still up in the air IMO

Verstappen cited worn tyres for understeering, but as the car on the inside it’s his responsibility to ensure that he doesn’t brake too late and carry too much speed in to make the corner.

And while Verstappen insisted the Silverstone precedent wasn’t relevant because they are different corners, stewards there did mention that Hamilton failing to hit the apex was a factor when penalising him for the title rivals’ British GP collision.

Mercedes will use the same wording the stewards used in the British GP to look for a penalty or maybe even fight the one they got and claim it was a racing incident then also.

 

[Yid-ol]

They won't win the appeal, this is for the future like @Bluto Blutarsky says.

Will be interesting if something like this happens in one of the next few races and then how they decide if any penalty is given or not. Mercedes could tell Bottas and Hamilton to run cars wide and break late to Max if trying to pass them so will always then take the inside line?

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Will be interesting if something like this happens in one of the next few races and then how they decide if any penalty is given or not. Mercedes could tell Bottas and Hamilton to run cars wide and break late to Max if trying to pass them so will always then take the inside line?

They could do that, but it would be a risk that isn’t worth taking. What if Hamilton did that and Max simply didn’t move? That would lead to contact and both cars out of a race.