The Formula 1 Thread

[Wig]

he'll do it with ease with that engine. Him and max have been toe to toe all season and then lewis blows everyone out of the water starting from 5th. If he gets pole the next 3 races it will be a bore fest as lewis and the car are so good it could be plain sailing after the first lap in each race.

I hope im wrong and redbull can do something to keep it interesting.

You can't take anything for granted that Lewis will blow everyone out the water. Some tracks are easier to overtake, and there could be all manner of qualifying, first lap crashes, safety cars variables thrown into the mix.

Right now the championship is Max's to lose and Lewis will need to perfect to have a chance of overtaking him in the leaderboard. It's the prospect of Lewis closing the gap till the last race of the season being a decider which will keep it interesting.

 

[Wig]

If I remember right, at Silverstone Hamilton went to go up the inside and Max again breaks late and turns in, but this time Hamilton slid also into max? That's how I remember it, it was Hamilton's fault as never got ahead and got a 10 second penalty and 3 place grip penalty in the next race.

The issues yesterday is Hamilton got ahead but max tried to break late and failed, there was no contact because Hamilton had to then run wide causing him to lose that place or there would have been a crash. How is one a racing incident and no penalty is given but the other is a 10 second and 3 place drop in the next race for qualifying?


Though I think I read something yesterday that they never got the onboard shot from Max's car but have requested it, and as it wasn't investigated further they didn't look into it any more(looking at the data ect) so could all still be looked at it/when they get this video.

I know it's the Daily Mail, but their Sport section headline is all about the FIA waiting to receive the full footage including Max's onboard camera.

F1: Masi confirms FIA have NOT seen footage of Verstappen's on-board

Mercedes were furious after a lap 48 incident between the two title contenders, in which their man overtook Verstappen, only for him to be forced wide and pushed back down to second place.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If the footage shows that he un-turned his steering wheel in the corner to push the car wide, rather than the lack of traction at that speed sliding the car wide, then surely he has forced Hamilton off the road and the stewards will need to act retrospectively.

The difference between this incident and Silverstone is that yesterday Lewis moved away from Max's car and ran wide to avoid contact whereas in Silverstone Max stuck to his racing line on the outside.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I know it's the Daily Mail, but there Sport section headline is all about the FIA waiting to receive the full footage including Max's onboard camera.

F1: Masi confirms FIA have NOT seen footage of Verstappen's on-board

Mercedes were furious after a lap 48 incident between the two title contenders, in which their man overtook Verstappen, only for him to be forced wide and pushed back down to second place.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If the footage shows that he un-turned his steering wheel in the corner to push the car wide, rather than the lack of traction at that speed sliding the car wide, then surely he has forced Hamilton off the road and the stewards will need to act retrospectively.

The difference between this incident and Silverstone is that yesterday Lewis moved away from Max's car and ran wide to avoid contact whereas in Silverstone Max stuck to his racing line on the outside.

I struggle to see how the FIA will see anything other than Verstappen blatantly making no attempt whatsoever to negotiate the corner.

What's puzzling me is why the FIA need to wait for the full footage. Surely they'd be the very first people to have it, or access to it?

 

[southlondonyiddo]

How does it take so long to download/view all this data and footage!!

Surely it’s an absolute nonsense that this stuff is available straight away….

Feeds the story and increases the hype I suppose

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Think lewis wins the championship from here unless something happens to his car. That car is just to fast.

Needs to be perfect the last three races but with that new engine, and the fact the fast circuits surely favour the Mercedes...

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Hamilton won. Comprehensively. Not sure what more can be won by taking apart a fraction of a second of actual racing. Why everyone is still trying to micro-manage this single incident as if Max has tried to kill him is really peculiar. He cost him a little time in a huuuuuuuuuuge run off area, cost himself some over the kerbs too. If he did straighten out his wheel a fraction then it was shit-housery. Explain to me why that is such a big deal.

As mentioned, considering Max recently had a trip to the hospital courtesy of Lewis, for a very similar incident it's strange that so many of you are outraged at it. It's tit for tat and on to the next race.

Now, back to WHY Hamilton was at the back of the grid for the sprint race - that's some sly shit from Mercedes. I wonder what other secrets they have tucked away behind them garage doors?

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

As mentioned, considering Max recently had a trip to the hospital courtesy of Lewis, for a very similar incident it's strange that so many of you are outraged at it. It's tit for tat and on to the next race.

I think it may be the difference in punishments...

 

[Yid-ol]

Hamilton won. Comprehensively. Not sure what more can be won by taking apart a fraction of a second of actual racing. Why everyone is still trying to micro-manage this single incident as if Max has tried to kill him is really peculiar. He cost him a little time in a huuuuuuuuuuge run off area, cost himself some over the kerbs too. If he did straighten out his wheel a fraction then it was shit-housery. Explain to me why that is such a big deal.

As mentioned, considering Max recently had a trip to the hospital courtesy of Lewis, for a very similar incident it's strange that so many of you are outraged at it. It's tit for tat and on to the next race.

Now, back to WHY Hamilton was at the back of the grid for the sprint race - that's some sly shit from Mercedes. I wonder what other secrets they have tucked away behind them garage doors?

Similar incidents but one gets a 10 second penalty and 3 place grid penalty, other has had nothing (as of yet)

I think the main issue is Hamilton was ahead, max decided to try and break late to get the corner (fair to do) but in doing so couldn't take the corner forcing both off and re taking the lead. To me if you can't take the corner and came from behind then that's gaining a lasting advantage, would you agree?

 

[Gb160]

Similar incidents but one gets a 10 second penalty and 3 place grid penalty, other has had nothing (as of yet)

I think the main issue is Hamilton was ahead, max decided to try and break late to get the corner (fair to do) but in doing so couldn't take the corner forcing both off and re taking the lead. To me if you can't take the corner and came from behind then that's gaining a lasting advantage, would you agree?

Bingo, crazy that this even needs explaining IMO.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Similar incidents but one gets a 10 second penalty and 3 place grid penalty, other has had nothing (as of yet)

I think the main issue is Hamilton was ahead, max decided to try and break late to get the corner (fair to do) but in doing so couldn't take the corner forcing both off and re taking the lead. To me if you can't take the corner and came from behind then that's gaining a lasting advantage, would you agree?

Absolutely, but that's part and parcel of racing - that corner was a popular one for the late brake sneak up the inside a few times in the race and sometimes it came off, sometimes it didn't, but I still don't understand why, on a weekend where Hamilton absolutely slayed it, people are focusing on this. It's pretty weird and ultimately made no difference to the outcome of the race.

If it wasn't Max, if it was him lapping Mazepin and that had happened, everyone would've laughed it off because Mazepin, but it's getting a bit tribal. Race like maniacs, if there are greasy palms at the FIA then that's business as usual, but use that salt for tequila and celebrate instead of grumbling.

 

[Yid-ol]

Absolutely, but that's part and parcel of racing - that corner was a popular one for the late brake sneak up the inside a few times in the race and sometimes it came off, sometimes it didn't, but I still don't understand why, on a weekend where Hamilton absolutely slayed it, people are focusing on this. It's pretty weird and ultimately made no difference to the outcome of the race.

If it wasn't Max, if it was him lapping Mazepin and that had happened, everyone would've laughed it off because Mazepin, but it's getting a bit tribal. Race like maniacs, if there are greasy palms at the FIA then that's business as usual, but use that salt for tequila and celebrate instead of grumbling.

So if it's part and parcel of racing, why did Hamilton get a 10 second penalty and 3 place grid drop for doing the same type of thing?

It's being talked about as its lack of consistency. I guess we need to wait for the front camera from Max's car to see what happened.

 

[MotspurHotspur]

Hamilton won. Comprehensively. Not sure what more can be won by taking apart a fraction of a second of actual racing. Why everyone is still trying to micro-manage this single incident as if Max has tried to kill him is really peculiar. He cost him a little time in a huuuuuuuuuuge run off area, cost himself some over the kerbs too. If he did straighten out his wheel a fraction then it was shit-housery. Explain to me why that is such a big deal.

As mentioned, considering Max recently had a trip to the hospital courtesy of Lewis, for a very similar incident it's strange that so many of you are outraged at it. It's tit for tat and on to the next race.

Now, back to WHY Hamilton was at the back of the grid for the sprint race - that's some sly shit from Mercedes. I wonder what other secrets they have tucked away behind them garage doors?

No, no, no... Max went to the hospital because he turned in across Lewis and made contact. Lewis even dabbed his brakes in the corner to give a smidge of room. Then the slimy RB went to work running up and down the pit lane trying to get Lewis disqualified and generally acting like a bunch of wankers. Cut to Monza where Max AGAIN decides to make contact rather than concede this time driving his car over Lewis HEAD to really underline the stupidity of his 'driving' then having the temerity to say Lewis should have given more space.

Yesterday Max tried to 'make contact' in a way that he could say Lewis didn't leave enough room, the evidence is there because having not made contact he kept the manoeuvre going.

It's all Red Bulls fault anyway, they've spent years blowing smoke up Max arse because they know he is thier best/last chance at glory and without him they'll be truly fucked! Should have reigned him in years ago. Stupid Red Bull.

 

[tobi]

Now, back to WHY Hamilton was at the back of the grid for the sprint race - that's some sly shit from Mercedes. I wonder what other secrets they have tucked away behind them garage doors?

Mercedes passed the test in all the previous races and on this occasion they failed (0.2mm) because part of the wing was damaged during qualifying. Rules are rules and they got punished.

I'm not seeing anything shady from Mercedes, that implication sounds like something Horner would and has been saying/implying and then refusing to answer the question when asked to clarify his comments.

When asked about his opinion on Mercedes speed he keeps saying we know what it is but he doesn't have the guts to say what's in his mind.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I still don't understand why, on a weekend where Hamilton absolutely slayed it, people are focusing on this. It's pretty weird and ultimately made no difference to the outcome of the race.

Mostly because it was another attempt by Verstappen to cause contact between the leaders - and it could have affected the outcome of the race.

And, had Verstappen gotten a time penalty like he should have, it could have an impact on the title race.

I don't think we have seen the last incident between Hamilton and Verstappen this year.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Neat breakdown, from a racer



FIA will have the data for brakes, steering, all the way down to how bent his knuckles were, so it's up to them if they're going to punish him, but if it all adds up then they can't punish him for being a dick. All the best racing drivers have a nemesis, I've been rooting for the villain because without a Dick Dastardly then Wacky Races would've been rubbish.

Team (Mad) Max!

 

[Yid-ol]

Neat breakdown, from a racer



FIA will have the data for brakes, steering, all the way down to how bent his knuckles were, so it's up to them if they're going to punish him, but if it all adds up then they can't punish him for being a dick. All the best racing drivers have a nemesis, I've been rooting for the villain because without a Dick Dastardly then Wacky Races would've been rubbish.

Team (Mad) Max!

If they investigated it they would have looked at that data, but as it was only noted and then not under investigation I don't believe they looked at/had that data.

I think they only looked at the same camera angles as shown on TV and decided not to investigate.

The video is good, and goes with what I have been saying most the time for this. Max was perfectly legal to go for the corner and overtake, but because he didn't make the corner forcing them both off, he gained a lasting advantage and should have been investigated and looked at all the data you mentioned (with the forward facing camera from max)

 

[NinjaTuna]

I was reading into the Max-Lewis lap 59 incident and apparently the front and rear camera are unable to broadcast at the same time. So from what Di Resta (think it was him) said, the broadcasting camera flicked from front-facing to rear-facing just before the incident. The front-facing footage can be obtained, but the Red Bull team will need to go and download it, hence the wait. It does seem to have taken a while, but apparently that's what's caused the wait for it to come through.

 

[NinjaTuna]

Also, as an aside, I'm a Netflix Newbie, having watched the 3 DtS series in the lead up to this season. Finished the last series about two weeks before Abu Dhabi, this year.

I feel really bloody fortunate to have got into the sport just as there's one of the most entertaining seasons for quite a while (or atleast, that's what I gather). Similarly to yankspurs, I'm a neutral and I'm not really fussed who wins the championship, I'd just like to continue being entertained week in week out.

I didn't really understand the bitter comments about Max's weaving, before being overtaken. I thought it was good shit housing and he ended up rightfully being given a black and white flag.

In regards to the turn where they both went off, I think Max was incredibly lucky to get away with no punishment at all. I guess luckily for the stewards, it didn't make too much difference as Lewis ended up overtaking and winning quite comfortably in the end anyway.

 

[NinjaTuna]

I also find myself rooting for Joe the Nazi every race, too. Just because I'd like to see him gain more than just the solitary championship point for the season.

 

[$hoguN]

You aren’t allowed to weave. You can make one definitive movement. Verstappen has a history of causing accidents or making people take extreme measures to avoid them due to his antics