The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - WALKING THE DOG - 7th January

[lifeof...]

Well as you were wondering. No

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

But the non eggs have

Touche

 

[dagraham]

He never left for family reasons, he, I'm actually sad to say (because I too liked him as a player) left because he was told he'd have to fight for a shirt.

"During our first conversation (with AVB) he hinted that I had to fight for my place. That in itself is not a problem. I have enough confidence in my abilities. But until that time I was 'the guy' at The Spurs."...
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...e-left-tottenham-because-of-bad-start-with-vi

Seriously, what sort of a manager expects his players to work for their shirt? After-all, VDV was 'The Guy'!! No wonder AVB was sacked

Yeah, he's got a massive ego. Most world class players have. Even "butter wouldn't melt, down to earth, family man Bale's ego is blossoming nicely. And by the time he's VDV's age it will probably be as big as his.

Doesn't alter the fact that we shouldn't have sold him. Genuine world class players don't come along that often at Spurs in modern times. We've got to nurture them, not piss them off.

 

[ackie]

http://www.givemesport.com/417887-tottenham-offered-chance-to-sign-barcelona-forward?autoplay=on

Anyone seen or heard anything about this lad?

 

[chrissivad]

http://www.givemesport.com/417887-tottenham-offered-chance-to-sign-barcelona-forward?autoplay=on

Anyone seen or heard anything about this lad?

not been any ITK, just the players thread for the media link

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/isaac-cuenca.105803/

 

[lifeof...]

No, but having seen all the adds around the piece. ?... and if he impressed why isn, t here there?

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Yeah, he's got a massive ego. Most world class players have. Even "butter wouldn't melt, down to earth, family man Bale's ego is blossoming nicely. And by the time he's VDV's age it will probably be as big as his.

Doesn't alter the fact that we shouldn't have sold him. Genuine world class players don't come along that often at Spurs in modern times. We've got to nurture them, not piss them off.

I agree, mate, he was a very gifted player for us, no question about it. However, he definitely had fitness issues, would be blowing out of his arse after 60 minutes and, no matter who the player is, or how good he is (believes he is), he still has a responsibility to do exactly as his manager tells him, or requests of him. Ask Mr Beckham, Mr Keane etc etc about Mr Ferguson. I guess I'm just old fashioned like Fergie, and believe the manager MUST call the shots.

There was NOTHING at all stopping Rafa from staying and actually proving he was worthy of a shirt, he just decided to take the easy route. Bloody hell, look at the difference in ability between him and Dawson, yet Dawson showed him the way to prove AVB wrong, much to thinktank's delight

 

[TheAmerican]

Stop talking about VDV, you're making me sad

 

[ackie]

not been any ITK, just the players thread for the media link

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/isaac-cuenca.105803/

ok...not really a whole lot of itks...is that because nothing is going on or simply the club are keeping close cards?

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

All that VDV article showed me was some further evidence that AVB had something missing when it came to man management. I'm not sure he had the ability to work out 'different' personalities and respond accordingly to each one in order to get the best out of them. ( Ade being another example )

VDV says there that he had no problem fighting for his place. Is it right though that he left the interview feeling that Gylfi Sigurdsson was ahead of him ? Show a bit of nous on how to handle human beings and their personality traits ffs. Essentially what is being said here is that if AVB had done a bit better in making VDV feeling integral to the club going forward, then he would've stayed. And thats exactly what AVB should've done given VDV's qualities and experience. He's a passionate guy, he wants to feel like one of the leaders. Thats a good thing, imo.

We didn't and don't have the luxury of tossing away talented players, like Utd could afford to do.

Uurgh. Hadnt seen that interview before. It upsets me.

EDIT - Apologies American, no more from me on VDV

 

[dagraham]

I agree, mate, he was a very gifted player for us, no question about it. However, he definitely had fitness issues, would be blowing out of his arse after 60 minutes and, no matter who the player is, or how good he is (believes he is), he still has a responsibility to do exactly as his manager tells him, or requests of him. Ask Mr Beckham, Mr Keane etc etc about Mr Ferguson. I guess I'm just old fashioned like Fergie, and believe the manager MUST call the shots.

There was NOTHING at all stopping Rafa from staying and actually proving he was worthy of a shirt, he just decided to take the easy route. Bloody hell, look at the difference in ability between him and Dawson, yet Dawson showed him the way to prove AVB wrong, much to thinktank's delight

I totally agree with you about the manager calling the shots. Thing is, Fergie always waited until he had someone to step into their shoes before he got rid (easier to do if your the manager of Man Utd though).

We've yet to come close to replacing what he gave us as a player though. Eriksen has bags of talent but I think he needs to get used to the pace of the PL and get down the gym and build up his strength.

 

[Barry Mead]

http://www.givemesport.com/417887-tottenham-offered-chance-to-sign-barcelona-forward?autoplay=on

Anyone seen or heard anything about this lad?

Yeah he looked a real prospect a couple of years back and played a number of games in their first team but then got an injury and was out for a while. With the likes of Pedro, Tello, Deulofeu and even Afellay still around he wasn't getting games after injury and they loaned him to Ajax, but he hasn't played much there Beats said he got injured there so missed quite a bit of playing time. He certainly looked a really decent prospect but how much the injuries may have impacted him or missing game time at an important stage of his development is hard to say, but getting into the current Barca team must be tough enough anyway so can see why he might want to go on loan and why Barca might be happy to let him go

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

All that VDV article showed me was some further evidence that AVB had something missing when it came to man management. I'm not sure he had the ability to work out 'different' personalities and respond accordingly to each one in order to get the best out of them.

VDV says there that he had no problem fighting for his place. Is it right though that he left the interview feeling that Gylfi Sigurdsson was ahead of him ? Essentially what is being said here is that if AVB had done a bit better in making VDV feeling integral to the club going forward, then he would've stayed. And thats exactly what AVB should've done given VDV's qualities and experience. He's a passionate guy, he wants to feel like one of the leaders. Thats a good thing, imo.

Uurgh. Hadnt seen that interview before. It upsets me.

EDIT - Apologies American, no more from me on VDV

Sorry, Euan, I never meant to irk you. I see tour take on the whole situation, it's just the whole, "I was 'the guy' " part, that gets me. I don't know that Sigurdsson was ahead of VDV, or that anyone was ahead of anyone else. After-all, AVB had just walked through the doors, so I'd like to think that everyone was at exactly the same level, the slate was clean, and it was up to each player to prove their worth.

None of us will ever know the real truth, we just have to enjoy every excellent player for as long as they bless our club. Anything outside of that, is also outside of our control

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

Sorry, Euan, I never meant to irk you. I see tour take on the whole situation, it's just the whole, "I was 'the guy' " part, that gets me. I don't know that Sigurdsson was ahead of VDV, or than anyone was ahead of anyone else. After-all, AVB had just walked through the doors, so I'd like to think that everyone was at exactly the same level, the slate was clean, and it was up to each player to prove their worth.

None of us will ever know the real truth, we just have to enjoy every excellent player for as long as they bless our club. Anything outside of that, is also outside of our control

Nah Coopsie, I have no problem with your viewpoint. As you say we are just going off of the one article and we don't know what actually happened. Much like you were irked by 'the guy' I am irked that AVB would not sense what makes VDV tick, and think its maybe best not to tell him that Sig was ahead of him when Sig is a young player who has achieved the grand sum of diddly squat. A point AVB then seems to have back tracked on when it was too late. It would've made more sense to tell the young player in Sig that he was going to be in a fair fight for his position with the established player in VDV, and not be so brazen in telling a star that he was already behind Sig in AVB's mind. Bad mismanagement in my eyes. Its not really a clean slate if AVB is already stating his preferences before anything has even been done.

I took 'the guy' statement as a positive thing - that VDV was our most experienced player, enjoyed feeling like one of the leaders of the team and having that responsibility. I feel he just uses that phrase to sum up those more elongated points.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Regarding Ari Golds info, I wonder could it be Britt Assombalonga of Peterborough 17 goals in 31 games this season playing as a wide- forward can play centrally to, could be Danny Ings either.
I can't see us signing a defender, world Cup yr no one of quality will move unless they have to get first team football, probably a loan more likely, I wonder if Paolo De Ceglie Juventus has been considered, apparently he wants to go out on loan to push for a place in Italy squad, also noticed Luca Antonelli of Genoe is out of contract in summer, he's a fine fullback with a ton of pace, could b a cheap pick up & an upgrade on Rose

Peterborough............................fucking Peterborough. Kane not good enough i guess.....Peterfuckingborough.

And some people think cannabis should be legalised..............

 

[Snarfalicious]

Yeah, we shouldn't want Cuenca at this point. In all likelihood he'd end up being another player we simply can't keep healthy.

 

[chrissivad]

ok...not really a whole lot of itks...is that because nothing is going on or simply the club are keeping close cards?

I have no idea, didnt even know there was a thread on him till you asked about him.

 

[gibbospurs]

If

RE Striker

I can honestly see Sherwood giving Lamela time as a second striker. He could operate freely behind Soldado OR Ade. I personally don't see us bringing a striker in

If he played any deeper than ade he could cover the cb problem.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Nah Coopsie, I have no problem with your viewpoint. As you say we are just going off of the one article and we don't know what actually happened. Much like you were irked by 'the guy' I am irked that AVB would not sense what makes VDV tick, and think its maybe best not to tell him that Sig was ahead of him when Sig is a young player who has achieved the grand sum of diddly squat. A point AVB then seems to have back tracked on when it was too late. It would've made more sense to tell the young player in Sig that he was going to be in a fair fight for his position with the established player in VDV, and not be so brazen in telling a star that he was already behind Sig in AVB's mind. Bad mismanagement in my eyes. Its not really a clean slate if AVB is already stating his preferences before anything has even been done.

I took 'the guy' statement as a positive thing - that VDV was our most experienced player, enjoyed feeling like one of the leaders of the team and having that responsibility. I feel he just uses that phrase to sum up those more elongated points.

Yeah fair post, mate. I guess the saddest part about the whole affair, is the fact that the slightest bit of compromise from either party, would likely have seen that very talented player remain at THFC for that little bit longer. Stupid stubborn professionals

 

[yankspurs]

And some people think cannabis should be legalised..............

Hey, stop that. Weed is harmless. Its cocaine that'll kill ya. Cocaine is a hell of a drug. That's what you should have said.