The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 4th June 2022

[robertgoulet]

On the subject of outgoings and from the very reliable Edmonton on COYS:
'Daniel won’t sell cheap, no reason to at this stage.'

Makes sense. No reason to sell to first bidder if they’re not even close to your valuation the window hasn’t even opened yet ffs.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Nothing groundbreaking, but Ally Gold did a Q&A today:

Outgoings
Hi Alasdair!! Contract update for CCV, done deal with Celtic yet?

There's hasn't really been much of an update on that because Carter-Vickers is away with the USA at the moment. He's back on the international scene, which is very much deserved, and he came off the bench against Morocco in a friendly on Thursday. He's got three matches to go with them this month, including another friendly against Uruguay tonight which obviously gets in the way of some transfer activity.

Again it's purely my opinion, but if Celtic pay the option and give Spurs the agreed price which is believed to be £6m, which could become £10m down the line with future add-ons, then Carter-Vickers has suggested he'd be happy to remain in Glasgow. He wants to leave Tottenham now and he's had a great season for Celtic and felt at home there with a manager who suits him well. It seems to be a move that fits all three parties.

Afternoon Ally. Are there any outgoings in the pipeline as far as you know? Any other clubs interested in Bergwijn/Lo Celso other than Ajax and Villareal respectively? Thanks

Bergwijn has now come out publicly and said he wants to leave and Ajax will try to make that happen. Both Lo Celso and Emerson Royal have interest from La Liga clubs and Bryan Gil certainly will have if Spurs decide he needs to head out again this summer, either on loan or permanently. Harry Winks will not be short of offers as he seeks regular football next term and interest is building in Joe Rodon as he wants the same.

If we try Djed Spence, who among Emerson or Doherty is likely to go out? Or maybe both? Are we trying Spence for back up or starter?

I get the impression at this stage that, if they sign the Boro man, it would be Doherty and Spence as the right wing-backs competing for the role as there's interest in Emerson and Doherty has proved that he can play the role as Conte wants it to be played. As for Spence, I understand that Spurs, Dortmund, Roma, Newcastle, Brentford and Forest are all willing to pay the fee Middlesbrough want and Tottenham are among the frontrunners. Now it's pretty much just a case of Spence making his decision, which could be once he returns from England U21 duty in about 10 days' time. He wants to go to a club that he'll get regular football at and he's believed to be interested in a buy to loan deal.

Incomings
Is there any interest in Dybala. Where is Eriksen most likely to go/stay.

I don't believe so when it comes to Dybala. I understand Paratici does not believe he's the best fit for a Conte Tottenham and Spurs' managing director of football was one of those keen on moving Dybala out of Juventus back in the summer of 2019. As for Eriksen, it's all down to him really and whether he feels loyalty to Brentford for taking that chance on him or that the pull of Spurs, Conte and the Champions League is stronger. There will be other interested parties although I understand he would like to remain in London.

What are your thoughts on maybe keeping 5 wingbacks on the squad this season? Perisic and Sess on the left. Emerson and spence on the right with Doherty capable of playing both sides

I get your thinking but financially it doesn't make sense for Spurs because the funds for Emerson, with interested clubs in Spain, means they can strength other areas of the squad rather than overstuffing that one. Keeping them all would also mean one or two of them hardly playing any football.

Hi Ali, do you think there is any truth in the lukaku rumours? Seems a bit far fetched to me.

Conte loves him but I'd have my doubts over whether Chelsea would deal with Spurs and also whether Lukaku would feel he'd get to play week in, week out with Harry Kane at the club. He wouldn't be the main man. They may well be able to play together but what that would mean for Son and Kulusevski I don't know. It's a lot of money for a player who hasn't had the happiest time back in the Premier League. I just can't see Chelsea dealing with a London rival and their former manager, but who knows what could happen in this crazy summer.

Any validity to the Weston Mckinnie rumors? Thoughts on the chances of him actually signing with THFC?

I know Paratici spoke to McKennie's representatives about a future move in January. If the USA international is available this summer then I would expect Spurs to test the water as he would tick a lot of boxes for the squad.

With weghorst saying he will leave Burnley is he someone spurs might look at or is he not the right profile of striker that they want

Weghorst has been linked with Spurs in the past. He would fit the target man profile although he's not a Harry Kane-type striker - although let's be honest few are. If he was a bargain price then Spurs might take a look at him but he wasn't on their original wishlist of strikers to sign as far as I'm aware. Much depends on how much football he expects next season and whether Spurs see him as able to fit Conte's system, which requires very mobile attackers.

Bastoni news?
if we get in bastoni, do you think we will try to also get an upgrade on dier too, or just a backup centre back in case of heavy matchload with all of the fixtures?

Conte loves Dier and thinks he can become one of the best centre-backs around. Conte does want at least two new centre-backs this summer, particularly with Rodon likely to move on for regular football while offers may well come in for Japhet Tanganga and Davinson Sanchez.

Do you think bastoni is just a thing of as and when and not if alasdair?

This is purely my opinion and we're very early in the transfer window so things can change quickly, but I get the feeling that circumstances at Inter are working in Spurs' favour at the moment.

They need money to address their attack, with Dybala a target and a Lukaku return considered, while at the back they also want to sign Bremer, a player Spurs also have on their centre-back list.

They need funds because they're in a tough financial position and Bastoni is one of their best chances of raising those funds and he has just two years left on his contract so, unless he signs a new deal, this is the peak value they can get for him. The 23-year-old is happy at Inter at this point in his career, but I just wonder whether what's going on at the club ends up pushing him towards the door.

His agent's comments this week seemed to suggest that could be a possibility. It's still very early days though and Spurs have other options, although both Conte and Paratici really like the big Inter defender. I think we need to get through the international period first, which makes it difficult to tie up deals and players can't fully focus on their decisions right now.

Is it me or does Ally g have much more knowledge these days (regards to transfers).

It seems like he is now the direct link from the club to the fans.

Which is kind of great, we don't have to guess which newspapers are correct anymore as (excuse the pun) anything Ally gives us is gold.

 

[SandroClegane]

On the subject of outgoings and from the very reliable Edmonton on COYS:
'Daniel won’t sell cheap, no reason to at this stage.'

But I thought Daniel isn't in charge on the player side anymore. Or is that his directives to FP?

 

[Col_M]

Is it me or does Ally g have much more knowledge these days (regards to transfers).

It seems like he is now the direct link from the club to the fans.

Which is kind of great, we don't have to guess which newspapers are correct anymore as (excuse the pun) anything Ally gives us is gold.

I think the fans have elevated him to a stage that he’s not been at before and with that comes access to people and news.

 

[spids]

But I thought Daniel isn't in charge on the player side anymore. Or is that his directives to FP?

The January window showed Paratici is willing to let players we don’t want leave on the cheap (Dele) and that he’s a lot more creative with outgoings than Levy ever was to keep the revolving door spinning.

 

[Hotspur88]

But I thought Daniel isn't in charge on the player side anymore. Or is that his directives to FP?

FP is in charge but Daniel still has some input.

 

[nedley]

FP is in charge but Daniel still has some input.

As long as he's not millin about in the cafeteria I'm happy.

 

[Trix]

FP is in charge but Daniel still has some input.

Well he still has the overall say at the end of the day. He's just deferring the decisions of who comes in and out to FP and AC. He's still involved in some of the negotiations and he'll still be able to over rule if they try and go ott on any deals. He still signs the cheques at the end of the day.

 

[Clockspur]

Glad Levy isn’t selling on the cheap, I don’t want to let Bergwijn go, but if we are then we shouldn’t be accepting peanuts from Ajax. They clearly want the player so they should meet our price - otherwise let’s keep mountain wine

 

[worcestersauce]

Glad Levy isn’t selling on the cheap, I don’t want to let Bergwijn go, but if we are then we shouldn’t be accepting peanuts from Ajax. They clearly want the player so they should meet our price - otherwise let’s keep mountain wine

I appreciate the sentiment but I have to ask why?
Why keep him if he's only going to get to play the odd late cameo, that's no good for him and not much use to us. Its a shame but he and we are obviously not compatible.

 

[crokey]

I appreciate the sentiment but I have to ask why?
Why keep him if he's only going to get to play the odd late cameo, that's no good for him and not much use to us. Its a shame but he and we are obviously not compatible.

If you sell every player you don't use for peanuts, then you'll never be able to afford players you do use.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

On the subject of outgoings and from the very reliable Edmonton on COYS:
'Daniel won’t sell cheap, no reason to at this stage.'

I think of Edmonton as being very reliable with stadium itk etc. I don’t so much associate him with team and transfer itk. Furthermore, that quote comes across as opinion rather than information. So I don’t think we should read too much into it other than the obvious - which is that Levy will inevitably have some say if any incoming is especially expensive or any outgoing especially cheap.

 

[Timberwolf]

If you sell every player you don't use for peanuts, then you'll never be able to afford players you do use.

Well the alternative is players run down their contracts and leave for even less. We're a club near the top of the food chain these days so it's hard to sell players without taking some kind of a loss unless an even bigger club is coming in for them.

I'd prefer us to sell players for a bit less than they're worth rather than doing a classic Levy and setting stupidly high prices which mean no-one ever leaves.

I agree that we shouldn't rush to sell Bergwijn if we're getting totally ripped off, but if we want to remould the squad according to Conte's liking for next season we're gonna have to take some hits too.

 

[the yid]

It's fair enough that he won't sell cheap people aint selling to us cheap so why should we. Having said that there's certain players take what you can get (Ndombele)

 

[yawa]

It's fair enough that he won't sell cheap people aint selling to us cheap so why should we. Having said that there's certain players take what you can get (Ndombele)

i am sure a lot of it’s driven by there still being a good few months left in the transfer window. We’re probably hoping ndombele is someone’s option C or probably Z and more interest is shown in a few weeks.

I’d very surprised anyone would want to keep ndombele around and playing with the youth team for all of next season.

 

[StanSpur]

DL is still the boss so will have a say but I do feel the Dele deal shows he's letting FP structure opportunities that DL himself wouldn't have considered before. With regards to sales, yes we need to accept a hit on players that have not played or are out of form but there is a limit and the financial models will determine a fair value to the club based on remaining debt on the player and contract cost/length etc. Also the club will look at decisions such as whether they need to replace that player/position and what that outlay would be i.e. Bergwijn at £18-20m is a fair price given what we paid, the years run down on his contract, lack of game time to not boost value and we could replace with the likes of Kostic or Cornet for c£15m. That would see us up a few million on the deal even if Bergwijns true value is probably in the 25-30m bracket. Gil on the other hand at £20m would be disappointing as it is lower than the outlay (plus player) last year and his youth suggests he will hold greater value in the future. That number would have to be closer to 25-30 in my opinion to be worthwhile otherwise i would suggest loaning and hoping his value increases or, he can return to Spurs once the current manager setup changes (which is likely under conte over the next 2 years). My personal thought on Gil is that there is an opportunity to do a perisic on him if he has the right engine (of that i have no idea) but Conte wans't keen on Perisic at Inter as a winger then transformed his career by changing his position... Anyway back to DL being a pain in the arses of chairmen all over the world....

 

[barry]

DL is still the boss so will have a say but I do feel the Dele deal shows he's letting FP structure opportunities that DL himself wouldn't have considered before. With regards to sales, yes we need to accept a hit on players that have not played or are out of form but there is a limit and the financial models will determine a fair value to the club based on remaining debt on the player and contract cost/length etc. Also the club will look at decisions such as whether they need to replace that player/position and what that outlay would be i.e. Bergwijn at £18-20m is a fair price given what we paid, the years run down on his contract, lack of game time to not boost value and we could replace with the likes of Kostic or Cornet for c£15m. That would see us up a few million on the deal even if Bergwijns true value is probably in the 25-30m bracket. Gil on the other hand at £20m would be disappointing as it is lower than the outlay (plus player) last year and his youth suggests he will hold greater value in the future. That number would have to be closer to 25-30 in my opinion to be worthwhile otherwise i would suggest loaning and hoping his value increases or, he can return to Spurs once the current manager setup changes (which is likely under conte over the next 2 years). My personal thought on Gil is that there is an opportunity to do a perisic on him if he has the right engine (of that i have no idea) but Conte wans't keen on Perisic at Inter as a winger then transformed his career by changing his position... Anyway back to DL being a pain in the arses of chairmen all over the world....

In regards to Gil, I think they should do a bulk program a la Mata Sarr, and see how he goes in training.

 

[spursfan77]

On the subject of outgoings and from the very reliable Edmonton on COYS:
'Daniel won’t sell cheap, no reason to at this stage.'

Without the context of the post/conversation from Edmonton, that sounds like opinion of prior history (one a lot of people share). It is right though, early days in the summer and we have a lot of cash to play with this year and the more we can bring in from sales the better. Exciting times.

 

[Col_M]

On the subject of outgoings and from the very reliable Edmonton on COYS:
'Daniel won’t sell cheap, no reason to at this stage.'

One would argue that's exactly what we did with Dele. We've heard this time and time again and then we don't shift the players, and that restricts the incomings. It's bluff and bluster.

 

[king_yid]

I appreciate the sentiment but I have to ask why?
Why keep him if he's only going to get to play the odd late cameo, that's no good for him and not much use to us. Its a shame but he and we are obviously not compatible.

Lot more games to go around next season