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Stoof

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really surprised that there are still people willing to deal with Levy. in other industries you would probably be blacklisted if you do business like this
Entirely untrue. I work with some of the most “interesting” of people. If they have something that someone else wants, be it an asset or money to pay for an asset you would be hugely surprised that any past dealings or any perceived grievances are all “just business” and completely forgotten.
 

felmani26

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Ok maybe I was a little ott last night so I'll try to clarify without saying too much and getting anyone in trouble.

The VdV deal isn't officially off, but we've managed to upset a few people at the last minute once again.

Get everything agreed, and then not be happy with the way the deal is shaped. Its once again trying to get that extra last minute win on a deal we have already got the win on. We've been here numerous times before and we know from past experience we are not worried to walk away for things like this and worse someone else swoops in or the player just has enough of the pissing about.

As I say maybe a bit ott last night, however I'm now fully aware things haven't changed which is why I posted what I did.
If I’m honest, whether we get this deal over the line or not, the fact that we are still clearly operating the same shitty way as before is the overriding feeling of annoyance and a realisation that nothing will fundamentally change at this club until Levy is ousted once and for all - no half measures.
 

Tiffers

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We have over 30 senior players on the books. With the best will in the world, I don't think we'll sell everyone we'd like to this window - ruthless or not, there's only so much we can do in one summer given how many spare parts we've accumulated. Even with Lloris, Sanchez and Perisic going, say, we'll still have too many players. We can probably shift a few, but spaces are going to be limited with Solomon

So while I would very much expect Postecoglou to be pushing for a starting quality centre back, perhaps he just wants to see for himself exactly how rough a back four with our current players is. Over the coming week or so, he'll get to see near enough the full squad in two (friendly, admittedly) matches and trial various combinations in them plus working with them in training.

And maybe after that he'll give the nod to Levy - all in on a Tapsoba-priced signing because the current lot can't be coached into a decent back four without that kind of individual quality, or pull the trigger on Van Der Ven because he thinks that 15-20m difference in fees can be better invested elsewhere.

Or maybe it's Levy being Levy, goalposts are moving, and we're relying on that being enough to confuse opposition forwards rather than actually doing the necessary.
That's absolutely perfect sense. We've far too many players on our books and Ange has to have time to asses the "suspect" players to see of they can be turned round or need to be sold or loaned out. Only then will the club know (a) what their needs are and (b) how much money that have to spend.

Far too many impatient posters on here.
 

sidford

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Hopefully this wil reduce optimism over things changing at the club and how we operate. Some posters seemed to think that club was starting to operate differently which is never going to happen under this leadership. As history has shown us when the window closes and we are still short and have missed opportunities this would lead to a lot of negative posts being made and this place would be unbearable for a while.

Look for optimism on the pitch and with what Ange might be able to do with the things that are within his control but don't set yourself up to be disappointed over how we act off the pitch because history shows us it will never change
 

rawhide

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I really can’t understand how mistakes haven’t been learnt from.

It also ultimately costs more as you end up buying more than once.
We don’t buy more than once, that’s part of the problem. We stick with the mistakes, maybe loan them out. But we don’t replace players quickly enough.
 

the yid

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Ok maybe I was a little ott last night so I'll try to clarify without saying too much and getting anyone in trouble.

The VdV deal isn't officially off, but we've managed to upset a few people at the last minute once again.

Get everything agreed, and then not be happy with the way the deal is shaped. Its once again trying to get that extra last minute win on a deal we have already got the win on. We've been here numerous times before and we know from past experience we are not worried to walk away for things like this and worse someone else swoops in or the player just has enough of the pissing about.

As I say maybe a bit ott last night, however I'm now fully aware things haven't changed which is why I posted what I did.
Atleast he kept out the way for 3 weeks
 

Cinemattis

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Ok maybe I was a little ott last night so I'll try to clarify without saying too much and getting anyone in trouble.

The VdV deal isn't officially off, but we've managed to upset a few people at the last minute once again.

Get everything agreed, and then not be happy with the way the deal is shaped. Its once again trying to get that extra last minute win on a deal we have already got the win on. We've been here numerous times before and we know from past experience we are not worried to walk away for things like this and worse someone else swoops in or the player just has enough of the pissing about.

As I say maybe a bit ott last night, however I'm now fully aware things haven't changed which is why I posted what I did.
This makes sense of Herc’s post the other day that Munn is away on club business. With Munn away, no DOF hired, and Paratici “consulting” - Danny Coys can play his favourite game; pissing off everyone.
 

chas vs dave

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If I’m honest, whether we get this deal over the line or not, the fact that we are still clearly operating the same shitty way as before is the overriding feeling of annoyance and a realisation that nothing will fundamentally change at this club until Levy is ousted once and for all - no half measures.
Or perhaps take a break if knowing every minutiae of a deal causes angst and issues.

Things change all the time, on both sides. It's just the way it is. As long as we are being fair and reasonable, then its just maximising leverage.

People who complain about us not getting deals "done" seem to ignore that we have overpaid for some players, such as porro.

Most on here were kicking up a storm because we didn't rush in a d spend 50m on Maddison. A lot were also adamant in thinking that we would lose out to Newcastle.
 

the yid

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We have over 30 senior players on the books. With the best will in the world, I don't think we'll sell everyone we'd like to this window - ruthless or not, there's only so much we can do in one summer given how many spare parts we've accumulated. Even with Lloris, Sanchez and Perisic going, say, we'll still have too many players. We can probably shift a few, but spaces are going to be limited with Solomon

So while I would very much expect Postecoglou to be pushing for a starting quality centre back, perhaps he just wants to see for himself exactly how rough a back four with our current players is. Over the coming week or so, he'll get to see near enough the full squad in two (friendly, admittedly) matches and trial various combinations in them plus working with them in training.

And maybe after that he'll give the nod to Levy - all in on a Tapsoba-priced signing because the current lot can't be coached into a decent back four without that kind of individual quality, or pull the trigger on Van Der Ven because he thinks that 15-20m difference in fees can be better invested elsewhere.

Or maybe it's Levy being Levy, goalposts are moving, and we're relying on that being enough to confuse opposition forwards rather than actually doing the necessary.
Technically speaking we didn't really need a new GK straight away we could've got a GK in later in the window as Forster did well at end of season and we didn't really need Solomon we only got him because he was free otherwise we wouldn't be after him so that's 2 out of the 3 where we could've prioritised a CB over.
 

the yid

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Entirely untrue. I work with some of the most “interesting” of people. If they have something that someone else wants, be it an asset or money to pay for an asset you would be hugely surprised that any past dealings or any perceived grievances are all “just business” and completely forgotten.
While I agree but if there's 2 interested parties involved 1s Levy 1s someone you like dealing with you're not going to deal with Levy
 

rawhide

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Technically speaking we didn't really need a new GK straight away we could've got a GK in later in the window as Forster did well at end of season and we didn't really need Solomon we only got him because he was free otherwise we wouldn't be after him so that's 2 out of the 3 where we could've prioritised a CB over.
Agree with the Solomon point, but it think it was generally acknowledged that we needed a GK as neither Loris nor Forster were of the consistent quality we need.
 

the yid

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Agree with the Solomon point, but it think it was generally acknowledged that we needed a GK as neither Loris nor Forster were of the consistent quality we need.
I did say we could've waited til later in window starting with Forster wouldn't have been the end of the world CB has been priority number 1 for 2 seasons gong into the 3rd
 

absolute bobbins

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Ok maybe I was a little ott last night so I'll try to clarify without saying too much and getting anyone in trouble.

The VdV deal isn't officially off, but we've managed to upset a few people at the last minute once again.

Get everything agreed, and then not be happy with the way the deal is shaped. Its once again trying to get that extra last minute win on a deal we have already got the win on. We've been here numerous times before and we know from past experience we are not worried to walk away for things like this and worse someone else swoops in or the player just has enough of the pissing about.

As I say maybe a bit ott last night, however I'm now fully aware things haven't changed which is why I posted what I did.

It wasn't OTT Trix, the club, as always, are play the stupid game of Fuck About and Find Out.

Once again the club are risk leaving themselves short, further alienating other clubs with their fuckwittery, demonstrating a lack of faith in the new head coach, wasting money in both man hours on a deal that will not come to pass, the inevitable missing out on European football and the additional income from a higher league finish.

This culture comes from the top and it permeates every level of the damned organisation.
 
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Dakes

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Ok maybe I was a little ott last night so I'll try to clarify without saying too much and getting anyone in trouble.

The VdV deal isn't officially off, but we've managed to upset a few people at the last minute once again.

Get everything agreed, and then not be happy with the way the deal is shaped. Its once again trying to get that extra last minute win on a deal we have already got the win on. We've been here numerous times before and we know from past experience we are not worried to walk away for things like this and worse someone else swoops in or the player just has enough of the pissing about.

As I say maybe a bit ott last night, however I'm now fully aware things haven't changed which is why I posted what I did.
This is so different to how the first 3 deals were done. We were told that we weren’t messing the other side around, put a very reasonable deal on the table and stuck to it - take it or leave it. But the above harks back to the “Transfer Committee” shenanigans 🤦🏽‍♂️
 

rawhide

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I did say we could've waited til later in window starting with Forster wouldn't have been the end of the world CB has been priority number 1 for 2 seasons gong into the 3rd
I understand what you’re saying, but I believe that if we hadn’t bought Vicario, we’d be saying the same things about a GK that we’re saying about CBs - a problem position they had needed addressing for a while.

Edit: apologies, I’ll stop on this now as it’s not for the ITK thread.
 

ebzrascal

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Ok maybe I was a little ott last night so I'll try to clarify without saying too much and getting anyone in trouble.

The VdV deal isn't officially off, but we've managed to upset a few people at the last minute once again.

Get everything agreed, and then not be happy with the way the deal is shaped. Its once again trying to get that extra last minute win on a deal we have already got the win on. We've been here numerous times before and we know from past experience we are not worried to walk away for things like this and worse someone else swoops in or the player just has enough of the pissing about.

As I say maybe a bit ott last night, however I'm now fully aware things haven't changed which is why I posted what I did.
I thought Levy had stepped away from football activities... if so seems he just put people in charge who operate in the same way which means nothing will change in how we deal with transfers..
 

Tezza1978

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Maybe the reason we try to squeeze the VDV deal , is because the club are not sold on him beeing a player that will instantly improve our first 11? He is 22 and only had one ok season in the Bundesliga.
Hopefully something else cooking in the background and VDV is the "backup" That said i am not surprised at all that Levy is again trying to save a small amount, and probably end up with Lenglet in the end.
Trix' ITK is annoying, that Levy seems to be up to his meddling again, but I also agree with this. The only thing I don't agree with in this post is that Lenglet is likely as an alternative. Its possible we get Lenglet as a 2nd CB backup, but he won't be the primary CB we buy, Im almost certain of that.
 

BENNO

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If I’m honest, whether we get this deal over the line or not, the fact that we are still clearly operating the same shitty way as before is the overriding feeling of annoyance and a realisation that nothing will fundamentally change at this club until Levy is ousted once and for all - no half measures.
One 'itk' posts something fairly vague and that's literally all the confirmation you need to believe nothing has changed , despite you having actual evidence of the club doing three quick and relatively painless deals earlier in this window ???
 

spursfan77

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Ok maybe I was a little ott last night so I'll try to clarify without saying too much and getting anyone in trouble.

The VdV deal isn't officially off, but we've managed to upset a few people at the last minute once again.

Get everything agreed, and then not be happy with the way the deal is shaped. Its once again trying to get that extra last minute win on a deal we have already got the win on. We've been here numerous times before and we know from past experience we are not worried to walk away for things like this and worse someone else swoops in or the player just has enough of the pissing about.

As I say maybe a bit ott last night, however I'm now fully aware things haven't changed which is why I posted what I did.

Well, hopefully he takes the same tact with Bayern over Kane.
 
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