Is he gonna sit it out not being in the squad?
He is 30 in january, less chance of getting a big contract having not played for a year.
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He is 30 in january, less chance of getting a big contract having not played for a year.
chas vs dave
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Possibly, I guess it's up to him to take the risk.
Perhaps he thinks he can fight his way back. Only dier can answer that.
If you are left out of the squad you can't play as your not registered, there's no fighting back.
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chas vs dave
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And you think it would be good to exclude a well liked player from the squad, because he wants to see out his contractual obligation.
Yeah, that would be great for morale and camaraderie.
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Well ultimately the player would have chosen that option.
So stinking the place out really can only be blamed on the player choosing to stay when it’s been made clear to them they aren’t going to get a look in.
It’s their (short) career so you’d expect most to see sense and leave - even it it was a gut wrenching decision to make
If it meant getting Tapisoba in to replace him It is worthwhile. I don't think the rest of the squad would mind if it meant the team being stronger.
Let's get Doherty back, he was well liked after all morale is more important than success.
People have seen the same story 20 times and typically we know how these things end
chas vs dave
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Again, I don't know the dynamics of the squad, neither do you.
However ange has openly said:
"That's the reality of it. We can't just keep aquiring players. That affects training and it affects the players. Our focus right now is to try to trim the squad down and see where that takes us. There's still a couple of weeks left of the window and I'm sure we'll see movement."
Do you think ange is being disingenuous?
And the club are well within their rights to exclude him from the squad knowing full well they will have to keep paying his contract. But that situation suits no one, so a mutually acceptable conclusion is best sought. I repeat, if you are left out of the squad, you are not registered so you are not going to get back in the team.
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I mean the player gets paid without having to do much so the player might not be THAT upset with it
They're left out of the squad now but can be registered again in January so the player may take the gamble/chance that in January they can have proved they are valuable and come back in. Not like it's a permanent now or never ever again thing.
As for the ITK to stay on topic, generally seems positive. The main negative stuff (which naturally people have fixated on) sounded a hell of a lot more like opinion than fact.
So thank to the ITK as always
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That only works imo if there are too many players to register.
Ultimately if we had Dier for example and the choice was register under the alloted allowance and leave Dier to rot. Or option B. List Dier in the squad because he hasn't left, and in a significant injury crisis he may be needed (not to mention of he is a well liked and influencial member of the squad) would you use him?
Let's face it, although the actual ITK is new, it's content is nothing were not used to
I have no idea of the dynamics of the squad as to whether Ange wants to keep Dier or not. I am merely pointing out the options open to both the club and player. The same could apply to Lloris or Tanganga or White. The very fact that Ange has left Dier out of 2 20 man matchday squads suggest to me he does'nt intend to give him game time especially as he has stated that they will try to bring in another defender. I'ts a big balancing act with a number of factors that Ange will have to decide upon and we will probably see a few more twists and turns before friday week.
Sounds like nothing has changed in the last 10 days.
I'm all for bashing the board/Levy about going back to 0 or even negative net spend (we're not that poor), however I do think it prudent that we get a lot of these wages off the books. It might be less about transfer costs and more about wages.
Again it does seem stupid that if this is indeed the issue that we aren't accepting lower offers in a bid to trim the squad.
I'm all for bashing the board/Levy about going back to 0 or even negative net spend (we're not that poor), however I do think it prudent that we get a lot of these wages off the books. It might be less about transfer costs and more about wages.
Again it does seem stupid that if this is indeed the issue that we aren't accepting lower offers in a bid to trim the squad.
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The borderline issue is, we've never had a clear and long term idea since Poch was sacked. We've had Jose, a shambolic summer ending with Nuno, then Conte. Maybe we've finally got the manager right with Ange, but the past fuck ups have left us with 4 managers worth of players all over the show as some are wing backs some are full backs some defenders favour a low block whereas now we need our CBs to play high up the pitch, some midfielders that suit a 2 man midfield that now don't look great in a 3 etc etc.. Just a shit show in every position basically.
Slowly we're shaping the squad to Ange's style and it's starting to make sense.
But we clearly have players that will not work and need shifting.
Not getting into Levy bashing but the current problems we have stem from the top and poor future proofing and decision making.
I think the only thing that's saved us in the last few years is Paratici. Without him I think we'd be in a much worse position than we currently are.
Slowly we're shaping the squad to Ange's style and it's starting to make sense.
But we clearly have players that will not work and need shifting.
Not getting into Levy bashing but the current problems we have stem from the top and poor future proofing and decision making.
I think the only thing that's saved us in the last few years is Paratici. Without him I think we'd be in a much worse position than we currently are.
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I think Ange is toeing the party line. When he speaks to the media, it’s basically the only thing he’s doing.
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No European distractions so plenty of time on the training pitch for Ange to get this team really ticking so we could push for a top 4 and good cup run but Levy decides this isn't the time to fully back his manager...... again 
Nothing will change with these owners.
Nothing will change with these owners.
Trying sounds good. am wondering what shall happen to anyone other than DL should he use this word in front of him.
More than anything else i dont expect Ange to come out biting the hand that feeds him and has given him this opportunity two games into it.
Hopefully hes being backed. Either way, hes not going to be critical of our setup/approach at this point no matter what he thinks.
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