The 2015/2016 positives thread

[yido_number1]

So I'm sitting on the bog and am definitely more of a positive than negative supporter and the match day thread makes harsh reading. Hopefully this will build through the season and there will be a lot more positives to share but here are my positives so far!

1. We competed at Utd unlike like last year and didn't get trounced.

2. We didn't lose to stoke at home and have maintained our unbeaten home record this season.

3. We have 1 more point than last year in the corresponding fixtures!. We also have a significantly better goal difference than the two games Las year.

 

[PrettyColors]

Haha, it's SpursCommunity.

Sure, we gave away two inexplicable goals today but look how negative this board gets. The amount of absolute despair here, whenever we don't win, is massive. I've seen multiple posts today which would make a clinically depressed person look happy. I honestly think this forum is an outlet for people's rage; it's like posters unpack all of their negative baggage from the week and pile it on here whenever things don't go well. If Butland doesn't make a world class save in the 55th minute or so, we go 3-0 up and most likely win. Hell, if Toby doesn't have a stroke on the edge of the area and is able to keep himself from giving away one of the dumbest penalties I've seen in my entire Spurs-supporting life (Chiriches vs. Besiktas will always reign supreme) we probably win as well.

But now, our performance is endemic of a failed system from Poch, a broken transfer strategy, a chairman who should resign, sell the club, and then off himself before retiring in a coffin made of papier-mâché pound notes, and a squad who takes estrogen pills and is castrated one by one.

Jesus. it's a long season. we're in it for the long hall. Shit happens. Stoke are a vastly improving side. We don't have the squad depth or quality that United, City, Arsenal, or Chelsea do. Top 4 is a pipe dream. We all know this. It's a poor start, but let's not hang the noose just yet.

 

[JonnySpurs]

You'll struggle to get many good posts in here today but I'm glad someone has tried to cut through the melodrama and over reactions to try and focus on some positives.

Make no mistake, I was gutted yesterday. I felt worse after this game than I did losing to Utd last week. I'm also thinking we now have to go away to Leicester who are bang in form. We just about scraped a win there last season but not sure we can do it this time based on current evidence.

I'm always positive and agree that we clearly should've been 3-0 up yesterday before things went south but we werent and it bit us in the ass. Clearly we need some new signings, especially up front to help Kane. Had we been able to bring on Saido for Kane instead of Lamela then it may have made things better.

Overall I'm not gonna freak out. At least we didn't lose 2-0 at home on the opening day to a lesser team. In fact I actually predicted a 2-2 draw between us and Stoke, I just didn't think we'd be 2-0 up to start with.

 

[RickyVilla]

The game yesterday was a real Jekyl & Hyde. I thought we played very well in the 1st half and was very happy. We were not bad up until the penalty and then fell apart. I reckon this season is gonna be a great laugh as my expectations have fallen a fair bit since the Bale days. Enjoy the good stuff and brush off the bad days I say.

 

[Sevens]

We've already played 2 league games so only another 36 to endure?

 

[spursram]

Excellent thread. I want to add by saying that Daniel Levy is a very responsible Chairman....

.....according to SC if anything goes wrong at Spurs, Mr Levy is normally responsible.

 

[Sevens]

Excellent thread. I want to add by saying that Daniel Levy is a very responsible Chairman....

.....according to SC if anything goes wrong at Spurs, Mr Levy is normally responsible.

The buck always stops at the top. Personally I think Daniel "Teflon" Levy has somehow got away with an awful lot during his tenure at Spurs.

 

[spurs mental]

Great thread. Should be kept near the top of the forum if possible. Any negative posts should be greeted with bunches of negative ratings.

There were positive signs yesterday, and the dr off was disappointing, but now we've got our new pacy winger/forward to help Kane we can be confident of improvement. All we are missing is Berahino and a soli DM now. Levy will get it done, I'm confident of that. Look at how well the summer has gone so far, he's doing what Poch and Mitchell are asking, clearly, he won't let them down.

Big game next weekend, against the best side in the league so far. Who'd have thought we'd be saying that about Leicester eh? Important to perform well and get a result there. I think we can do it. We were better away from home last season,we showed at United that we are capable.

 

[Klinsmannic]

Excellent thread. I want to add by saying that Daniel Levy is a very responsible Chairman....

.....according to SC if anything goes wrong at Spurs, Mr Levy is normally responsible.

Nobody is blaming Levy for Alderweireld giving that dumb penalty away.

If a ftse 100 company failed to make progress, nay regressed, in its core business (in this case the football team) over 2-3 years the CEO would have to answer to his shareholders (in this case us fans). It's not knee-jerk to be p****d off with how dull and uncompetitive we've been in the last couple of years.

 

[spurs mental]

Oh dear, the Levy haters are out in force this morning, ruining this thread already

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Nobody is blaming Levy for Alderweireld giving that dumb penalty away.

If a ftse 100 company failed to make progress, nay regressed, in its core business (in this case the football team) over 2-3 years the CEO would have to answer to his shareholders (in this case us fans). It's not knee-jerk to be p****d off with how dull and uncompetitive we've been in the last couple of years.

Erm. The fans are not the equivalent of Shareholders. THFC has shareholders, the CEO does answer to them & he appears to be doing exceptionally well by them, they can have no complaints

Fans are (sort of) stakeholders, but not one that the club gives 2 flying fucks about.

Well - having said that they do appear to care at least a bit about the American & Asian ones, but certainly not the English ones

 

[Klinsmannic]

Oh dear, the Levy haters are out in force this morning, ruining this thread already

I guess you're referring to me. You don't believe the boss of a company has to shoulder any repsonsibility if its core "business" (the football team) regresses for a couple of years?

As much as Levy should get credit for helping to oversee one of the most exciting periods of football I can remember as a Spurs fan (by helping to assemble a squad with Modric, Bale, VDV etc), he should also bear some responsibility for how uncompetitive and unbalanced our team has been since then.

If your issue is that I've ruined the spirit of this thread, then I apologise and i'll try to get back on track:

We still have some great talent in our squad that would get into most teams in the PL- Kane and Lloris. I have a degree of optimism with those guys in our team.

 

[Klinsmannic]

Erm. The fans are not the equivalent of Shareholders. THFC has shareholders, the CEO does answer to them & he appears to be doing exceptionally well by them, they can have no complaints

Fans are (sort of) stakeholders, but not one that the club gives 2 flying fucks about.

Well - having said that they do appear to care at least a bit about the American & Asian ones, but certainly not the English ones

I don't want to detract from the spirit of this thread again, so let's take it via PM if you like, but going by your logic Levy would then only have to answer to himself and Joe Lewis as Enic own something close to 90% of the club. We're no longer a plc (since 2012 ish I believe). Regardless of that, the core of our "business" is the football team by definition, and as paying fans we have a right to hold the owners to account, or at the very least be able to criticise.

 

[Derp]

We have looked like a top four team for 65 minutes...

 

[Sevens]

I don't want to detract from the spirit of this thread again, so let's take it via PM if you like, but going by your logic Levy would then only have to answer to himself and Joe Lewis as Enic own something close to 90% of the club. We're no longer a plc (since 2012 ish I believe). Regardless of that, the core of our "business" is the football team by definition, and as paying fans we have a right to hold the owners to account, or at the very least be able to criticise.

This is the key point many fail to understand. Levy's primary objective is to ENIC, not Spurs. The goals are both in line up to a point but not beyond that point. Levy's primary objective is to make Spurs as valuable as possible as safely as possible. Or simply put, protect ENIC's investment.

If Levy is faced with the choice of guaranteeing increasing club value by 10% and finishing 5th OR taking a 50/50 gamble to win the league that would increase value by 20% if we got it or lose 20% if we didn't? He'd take 5th place every single time.

We've seen this more than once. 2011/12 transfer windows. We waited until the close to sign Parker/Adebayor. Had we tucked them deals up before the season opener it probably would have cost us a couple of million more but we may have got at least a point against Utd that would have seen us get 3rd and CL. In January we were in a strong position to have an outside crack at the title. But that would require a gamble of investment. It was never going to happen so we ended up with a couple of frees and failed to make the grade.

Imagine how frustrating it's going to be this year if we sign a couple of players before the end of August that were obtainable before the start of the season AND we miss out on CL by 1pt again knowing those players could have made the difference to the result yesterday. But this is our lot and we have to accept it.

To be fair to Levy he usually gives the Manager back the funds generated from player sales and the one season under ENIC where we were in real danger of being relegated he did put his hand in his pocket in January. But even most of that was from player sales and most solid investment businessmen will take a large risk to avert disaster but very few will take a large risk to obtain success when they can grind out a low risk low reward strategy that still brings in income.

 

[Klinsmannic]

This is the key point many fail to understand. Levy's primary objective is to ENIC, not Spurs. The goals are both in line up to a point but not beyond that point. Levy's primary objective is to make Spurs as valuable as possible as safely as possible. Or simply put, protect ENIC's investment.

If Levy is faced with the choice of guaranteeing increasing club value by 10% and finishing 5th OR taking a 50/50 gamble to win the league that would increase value by 20% if we got it or lose 20% if we didn't? He'd take 5th place every single time.

We've seen this more than once. 2011/12 transfer windows. We waited until the close to sign Parker/Adebayor. Had we tucked them deals up before the season opener it probably would have cost us a couple of million more but we may have got at least a point against Utd that would have seen us get 3rd and CL. In January we were in a strong position to have an outside crack at the title. But that would require a gamble of investment. It was never going to happen so we ended up with a couple of frees and failed to make the grade.

Imagine how frustrating it's going to be this year if we sign a couple of players before the end of August that were obtainable before the start of the season AND we miss out on CL by 1pt again knowing those players could have made the difference to the result yesterday. But this is our lot and we have to accept it.

To be fair to Levy he usually gives the Manager back the funds generated from player sales and the one season under ENIC where we were in real danger of being relegated he did put his hand in his pocket in January. But even most of that was from player sales and most solid investment businessmen will take a large risk to avert disaster but very few will take a large risk to obtain success when they can grind out a low risk low reward strategy that still brings in income.

I think most of us understand that all too well...

Good post though.

 

[lukespurs7]

Haha, it's SpursCommunity.

Sure, we gave away two inexplicable goals today but look how negative this board gets. The amount of absolute despair here, whenever we don't win, is massive. I've seen multiple posts today which would make a clinically depressed person look happy. I honestly think this forum is an outlet for people's rage; it's like posters unpack all of their negative baggage from the week and pile it on here whenever things don't go well. If Butland doesn't make a world class save in the 55th minute or so, we go 3-0 up and most likely win. Hell, if Toby doesn't have a stroke on the edge of the area and is able to keep himself from giving away one of the dumbest penalties I've seen in my entire Spurs-supporting life (Chiriches vs. Besiktas will always reign supreme) we probably win as well.

But now, our performance is endemic of a failed system from Poch, a broken transfer strategy, a chairman who should resign, sell the club, and then off himself before retiring in a coffin made of papier-mâché pound notes, and a squad who takes estrogen pills and is castrated one by one.

Jesus. it's a long season. we're in it for the long hall. Shit happens. Stoke are a vastly improving side. We don't have the squad depth or quality that United, City, Arsenal, or Chelsea do. Top 4 is a pipe dream. We all know this. It's a poor start, but let's not hang the noose just yet.

Disagree. I was at the game and the whole 2nd half we were awful just didn't look at the races at all. It was only a matter of time until they got a goal back and when they did we didn't react and by the end couldn't actually lost! I'm positive about our young squad and trying to be about Pottechitino but the football at times is pretty dour even when we were 2-0 up and it's a bit worrying that the same habits are not being addressed.

Hopefully once/if we sign a striker and decent experienced DM + the introduction of N'Jie we will start to be more balanced and player better football + as this team develops they will learn things like how to hold onto a 2-0 fucking lead at home to Stoke.

Lots of positives for sure but also some worrying signs.

COYS

 

[lukespurs7]

Good OP by the way.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Not quite sure whether OP is being serious? Reading it like that, it comes across as ironic, because each, erm, "achievement" is highly underwhelming. Putting them together in 3 bullet points...

You forgot one though, we are 1 point ahead of Arsenal, and that's only having played 1 more match than them!

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

I like all three of our strips this year