Team vs Swansea

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Last years success was also built on Toby not missing a game, Kane not
Missing a game and scoring lots of goals, Ali being a revelation and scoring goals, Lamela playing and pressing and setting tempo. To blame current form on Wanyama is crazy.

I'm certainly not blaming him, just think Dier and Dembele offered a better balance last year and if all are fit then i would revert to that system...

 

[djee]

Last years success was also built on Toby not missing a game, Kane not
Missing a game and scoring lots of goals, Ali being a revelation and scoring goals, Lamela playing and pressing and setting tempo. To blame current form on Wanyama is crazy.

Absolutely!
I appreciate the love in for Dier and while one can blame his poor form on being played at CB, Wanyama has been immense - certainly among our top performers this year. Simply put, we have been excellent at the back and Wanyama is key to that solidity. He has been let down by poor conversion of chances in some of the fixtures or a total lack of them in others. Those being paid to stick the ball in the net (or at least provide the ball to those to put the ball in the net) have not done their jobs. That Alli, Eriksen, Son, Lamela and Janssen have contributed 12 goals in the league between them so far is appalling. Put into context - Mane, Milner and Coutinho have 16, Pedro and Hazard have 10, SIggy and Fer have 10 FFS!!

 

[mattie g]

Even if he's healthy, I don't expect Lamela to start without having picked up some game minutes beforehand. I'm also not expecting Toby to be back. With that:

Lloris
Dier -- Wimmer -- Vertonghen
Walker -- Wanyama -- Winks -- Rose
Eriksen -- Kane -- GKN

I'd be OK with Son and/or Dele in the attacking positions, but I think N'Koudou deserves a start at this point (even if I'm not sure doing so in a 3-4-2/3-5-2 is the best way to do that). Swansea's defense is having some serious issues, so I think we could really get at them if we send numbers into the attack.

 

[EQP]

The disregard for Wanyama's efficacy and importance in our team is hilarious. Especially since people are banking on Dier and Dembele magically regaining their form when paired together. We can all agree that Wanyama is a DM and is responsible for shielding the back four and winning the ball and has been performing admirably at his role. Real question is why has Dembele, who has been granted less defensive responsibility, been less effective in the attacking sense of our play?

We've literally seen Mousa this season, run into players. lose the ball due to over dribbling, pass sideways and slow down the play, give away hilarious fouls and yet people are quick to overlook all that and criticize Wanyama for not being Dier or Dembele from last season What is also hilarious is how Wanyama has suffered due to Dembele's lack of form and has been forced to the drive the team up the field with his runs, start attacks with passes while also covering his defensive duties. So the solution being bandied around is bench Wanyama and pair an out of form Dier and Dembele for all times sake Yup that make sense.

 

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The disregard for Wanyama's efficacy and importance in our team is hilarious. Especially since people are banking on Dier and Dembele magically regaining their form when paired together. We can all agree that Wanyama is a DM and is responsible for shielding the back four and winning the ball and has been performing admirably at his role. Real question is why has Dembele, who has been granted less defensive responsibility, been less effective in the attacking sense of our play?

We've literally seen Mousa this season, run into players. lose the ball due to over dribbling, pass sideways and slow down the play, give away hilarious fouls and yet people are quick to overlook all that and criticize Wanyama for not being Dier or Dembele from last season What is also hilarious is how Wanyama has suffered due to Dembele's lack of form and has been forced to the drive the team up the field with his runs, start attacks with passes while also covering his defensive duties. So the solution being bandied around is bench Wanyama and pair an out of form Dier and Dembele for all times sake Yup that make sense.

Just for the record, I wasn't criticising Wanyama and actually said in my post how good he has been. However, I think the team is better balanced with Dier and Dembele in the middle and I think Dier offers more going forward - he was England's most creative player at the euros (which isn't saying much I know!).

I take your point about Dier and Dembele's form but the former has been playing a centre back and the latter has been injured. The only way to rekindle the balance of last year is to ply them together and Swansea seems like a good game to do it in!

 

[millsey]

Just for the record, I wasn't criticising Wanyama and actually said in my post how good he has been. However, I think the team is better balanced with Dier and Dembele in the middle and I think Dier offers more going forward - he was England's most creative player at the euros (which isn't saying much I know!).

I take your point about Dier and Dembele's form but the former has been playing a centre back and the latter has been injured. The only way to rekindle the balance of last year is to ply them together and Swansea seems like a good game to do it in!

Eg play last years team in the hope they play like last years team.

 

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Eg play last years team in the hope they play like last years team.

Well we've tried several other combos and generally served up quite a lot of shite this season...

 

[millsey]

Well we've tried several other combos and generally served up quite a lot of shite this season...

So take out the best performer in our team so far. Gotcha

 

[EQP]

Just for the record, I wasn't criticising Wanyama and actually said in my post how good he has been. However, I think the team is better balanced with Dier and Dembele in the middle and I think Dier offers more going forward - he was England's most creative player at the euros (which isn't saying much I know!).

I take your point about Dier and Dembele's form but the former has been playing a centre back and the latter has been injured. The only way to rekindle the balance of last year is to ply them together and Swansea seems like a good game to do it in!

I really want Mousa to regain form and start dominating games like last season but it seems he's going through that all too familiar "rough patch" that has plagued his career. Last season's failure established that we lacked adequate cover for Dier and Dembele, in Wanyama we have addressed that issue.

If someone is on a good run of games, we should continue with that player and reward them with game time. We would never dream of benching Kane if he was scoring goals, so why leave Wanyama out of the team for being one of our best players this season? In the same vein of reasoning, we would never bench Dembele of last season for being to good in the league.

With all respect to Swansea and our current season, we do not have the luxury of hoping that Swansea are bad enough that we can use this opportunity to get Dembele and Dier back to last season's levels, there cannot be room for sentiment at this point. We need wins, we need our best players and we need those out of form to show in training and games that they are working hard to improve.

 

[yusrisafri]

I want Toby.

Equally important, i want Rose

 

[yusrisafri]

I'd like to see a side without Eriksen and Alli for a change.

I'd like to see Dembele playing in the no 10 role.

I'd like to see Wanyama a rest even though he's been playing well, for the sole selfish reason that i really miss Dier's presence there.

I'd like to see this (hoping lamela and toby are back)

.......................Lloris.........................
Walker.....Toby..........Jan.........Rose
................Dier...........Winks..............
.....Lamela.......Dembele.........GKN..
.......................Kane.....................

 

[Kushal]

I'd like to see a side without Eriksen and Alli for a change.

I'd like to see Dembele playing in the no 10 role.

I'd like to see Wanyama a rest even though he's been playing well, for the sole selfish reason that i really miss Dier's presence there.

I'd like to see this (hoping lamela and toby are back)

.......................Lloris.........................
Walker.....Toby..........Jan.........Rose
................Dier...........Winks..............
.....Lamela.......Dembele.........GKN..
.......................Kane.....................

Your bench of Aleksic, Miller, Perryman, Hughton, Roberts, Villa, Ardiles, Hoddle, Galvin, Crooks, Archibald. is unrealistic!

 

[mpickard2087]

Assuming we stay as we are on the injury front:

Lloris
Walker Dier Vertonghen Rose
Wanyama
Son Winks Eriksen Nkoudou
Kane

Subs: Vorm, Trippier, Wimmer, Dembele, Alli, Onomah, Janssen​

 

[double0]

The disregard for Wanyama's efficacy and importance in our team is hilarious. Especially since people are banking on Dier and Dembele magically regaining their form when paired together. We can all agree that Wanyama is a DM and is responsible for shielding the back four and winning the ball and has been performing admirably at his role. Real question is why has Dembele, who has been granted less defensive responsibility, been less effective in the attacking sense of our play?

We've literally seen Mousa this season, run into players. lose the ball due to over dribbling, pass sideways and slow down the play, give away hilarious fouls and yet people are quick to overlook all that and criticize Wanyama for not being Dier or Dembele from last season What is also hilarious is how Wanyama has suffered due to Dembele's lack of form and has been forced to the drive the team up the field with his runs, start attacks with passes while also covering his defensive duties. So the solution being bandied around is bench Wanyama and pair an out of form Dier and Dembele for all times sake Yup that make sense.

I don't think anyone is disputing Wanyama, however we haven't been winning much. Wanyama has been paired with both Dier and Dembele and imo those pairings haven't compared with Dier Dembele although it's still early days. I would like to once again see last season's combination once everyones fit Wanyama rested for a game.

 

[EQP]

I don't think anyone is disputing Wanyama, however we haven't been winning much. Wanyama has been paired with both Dier and Dembele and imo those pairings haven't compared with Dier Dembele although it's still early days. I would like to once again see last season's combination once everyones fit Wanyama rested for a game.

I see where everyone is coming from, I really do. I would love nothing more than Dierembele to magically return to 15/16 season performances. Forcing the issue isn't going to make that happen though. Also if we then start on this slippery slope of playing players based on what they did last season versus what they did last game, we end up upsetting and possible ruining the confidence of the in form players. If we truly think and believe that Dier and Dembele are quality players, then they will no problem adjusting to having Wanyama ( who might I add is making their jobs easier) in the team by them. Wanyama did not break up the Dierembele pair, injuries and lack of form did, it is up to the players to earn back their places in the midfield.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

The disregard for Wanyama's efficacy and importance in our team is hilarious. Especially since people are banking on Dier and Dembele magically regaining their form when paired together. We can all agree that Wanyama is a DM and is responsible for shielding the back four and winning the ball and has been performing admirably at his role. Real question is why has Dembele, who has been granted less defensive responsibility, been less effective in the attacking sense of our play?

We've literally seen Mousa this season, run into players. lose the ball due to over dribbling, pass sideways and slow down the play, give away hilarious fouls and yet people are quick to overlook all that and criticize Wanyama for not being Dier or Dembele from last season What is also hilarious is how Wanyama has suffered due to Dembele's lack of form and has been forced to the drive the team up the field with his runs, start attacks with passes while also covering his defensive duties. So the solution being bandied around is bench Wanyama and pair an out of form Dier and Dembele for all times sake Yup that make sense.

A-fucking- men

 

[Blake Griffin]

I don't think anyone is disputing Wanyama, however we haven't been winning much. Wanyama has been paired with both Dier and Dembele and imo those pairings haven't compared with Dier Dembele although it's still early days. I would like to once again see last season's combination once everyones fit Wanyama rested for a game.

how about when he was paired with neither of them?

everton away in the 2nd half when we were all over them and should really have won. boro, west brom and cska away where we were excellent but let down by poor finishing and of course our best performance of the season at home to city. let's not forget we had 17 points after 7 games with wanyama in the side, we have of course lost players to injury since then but i think the reintroduction of dembele has contributed a lot to the general lack of cohesion going forward.

 

[journeyman]

Rose & Toby (if fit) for Wimmer and Dier please. Otherwise same as last weekend. And, crucially, we need to bring the same intensity to Swansea that we brought to Chelsea.

Liking GKN as an option off the bench too.

 

[strader]

The disregard for Wanyama's efficacy and importance in our team is hilarious. Especially since people are banking on Dier and Dembele magically regaining their form when paired together. We can all agree that Wanyama is a DM and is responsible for shielding the back four and winning the ball and has been performing admirably at his role. Real question is why has Dembele, who has been granted less defensive responsibility, been less effective in the attacking sense of our play?

We've literally seen Mousa this season, run into players. lose the ball due to over dribbling, pass sideways and slow down the play, give away hilarious fouls and yet people are quick to overlook all that and criticize Wanyama for not being Dier or Dembele from last season What is also hilarious is how Wanyama has suffered due to Dembele's lack of form and has been forced to the drive the team up the field with his runs, start attacks with passes while also covering his defensive duties. So the solution being bandied around is bench Wanyama and pair an out of form Dier and Dembele for all times sake Yup that make sense.

you couldn't have said it any other way. MS and Jensen have been below part, so now its time to get rid of our only true specialist DM becos our problem is leaking goals; hilarious. Not becos he is not performing well but becos we aren't producing last season performance and results.


While we forgot the key to our pressing game was the front 4. Then Dier protection of back 4.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

you couldn't have said it any other way. MS and Jensen have been below part, so now its time to get rid of our only true specialist DM becos our problem is leaking goals; hilarious. Not becos he is not performing well but becos we aren't producing last season performance and results.


While we forgot the key to our pressing game was the front 4. Then Dier protection of back 4.

Your becos is better than the traditional because #fonetics