Spurs Youth Thread 22/23

[eddiebailey]

Although I agree that there has been an issue with the amount of playing time these guys get, I also think there has been a distinct lack of quality over the last few years.

Our first team consists of:

Tanganga, Austin & Whiteman - not good enough.
Skipp - a good squad player.
Kane - obviously world class.

The on loan players are:

Winks - not good enough.
White - is not dominating league 1 as a 21 year old.
Scarlett - struggled for goals but is still very young.
Parrott - not sure he will ever be good enough.

In the U21 list on the official website, the most notable players are:

Craig, Devine, John, Mathurin, Mundle, Paskotsi & Soonsup-Bell - all of which either require a loan or will be leaving us. None are ready for the step up to PL football or may never be. All the other players in that squad I can see being released at some point. Also, for me, out of the most notable players the only player I see being PL standard is Devine.

It’s only when you drop down to the U18 where you start to see some real talent in:

Abbott, Andiyapan, Donley, Dorrington, Kyerematen, Hall, Irow & Moore (I’m sure there are a few I’ve missed too)

This group of players who range from 15/16 to 18 are the ones we need to focus on and try to bring through. I’d like to think that Ange would want the youth teams to reflect the first team and play the same style of football, as that would be the very first thing I would do.

If we play the next few years right, there is no reason we could have 3-5 players from that group being part of the first team starting with Devine and down the Mikey Moores of this world.

I suspect that the notion that the real talent is in the U18s is a bit hopeful. A couple of seasons ago there was a lot of excitement around the likes of Parrot, White, John, Paskotsi, Devine and Scarlett. Truth is most youngsters don’t make it, and you would need the eyes of Nostradamus to prophecise which will. None of them will make it though without a lot of balls, a lot of luck and a lot of helping hands. I’m not convinced we’ve provided a lot of the latter in recent years.

 

[EQP]

I have a funny feeling Harvey white might be the one to step up next season as a squad player. Versatile, good passer. 22 now so should be physically ready. Could play 6 or 8, snd I even wonder if he could be a good inverted left back with done coaching.
After talking up the new manager as one to value the academy they will have to give someone a go with the first team next season!!

He's a player that I hope gets a chance this pre-season. I think Ange's attacking philosophy will appeal to many of the players and certainly bring out the best in some of our more technical players who might have been overlooked by previous managers due to a lack of physicality.

 

[cockerel downunder]

Cant loan out Devine for another season

I dont think white can make the step up but he was class for derby from when I saw him and everyone praised him

Im not saying this in a negative way but could you point me to where Ange has shown he is going with an academy?

Every manager always praises the academy when they join but they dont use it

Levy said they hired him in part because he’s a coach who understands the importance of creating a pathway from academy to first team. I think to achieve this you need to promote st least one to first team each year so the younger age groups see they have a chance

 

[beats1]

Levy said they hired him in part because he’s a coach who understands the importance of creating a pathway from academy to first team. I think to achieve this you need to promote st least one to first team each year so the younger age groups see they have a chance

LVG is the perfect manager of giving a youth player a chance

Rashford wasn't exceptional at all at youth level, compared to his peers at one point he was 6th/7th choice for his England age group. But young players can literally explode in their development and he did this. Rooney got injured in the warm ups and the U21 striker was also injured. LVG is the type of coach who wouldn't give a crap of giving a youth player a chance and would rather play him there than a wide player out of position. Rashford has never looked back since

We have never seen this at spurs tbh except for when Sherwood was here with Kane

One poster said earlier, that Ange's only complaint from celtic fans was that he wouldn't give youth players much of a chance but did play the young players they signed

 

[bombarda]

Am I right in thinking that many within the club think that Harvey White is the best set piece taker in the squad? With Gianni Vio, and as I understand it Ange is a big planner of set pieces, maybe there is a spot for him to be a sort of off the bench specialist when needed, which would also give him exposure and minutes with the first team.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Am I right in thinking that many within the club think that Harvey White is the best set piece taker in the squad? With Gianni Vio, and as I understand it Ange is a big planner of set pieces, maybe there is a spot for him to be a sort of off the bench specialist when needed, which would also give him exposure and minutes with the first team.

I hope Harvey makes it. But no player should be in the squad because he is only good for one skill set. He should be there on his own merits with a particular skill set which is better than the others.

 

[Spurzinho]

Am I right in thinking that many within the club think that Harvey White is the best set piece taker in the squad? With Gianni Vio, and as I understand it Ange is a big planner of set pieces, maybe there is a spot for him to be a sort of off the bench specialist when needed, which would also give him exposure and minutes with the first team.

I don't think Harvey is dynamic enough for the Premier League. He's technically very good but at best he'd be a Ward-Prowse type, someone who has to be carried for the most part. I think its more likely he has a similar career to Tom Carroll. Good player, just not enough of an athlete to really impose himself at the higher levels, particularly through the changes in phases of play. Speaking of Tom, he's been without a club for the last 12 months after a disappointing spell with Ipswich.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Definitely. Nice footballer but not much else. Tom Carroll 2
surely the only reason Tom Is without a club must be the wages he is asking . Would have thought a decent lge one club would have snapped him up. Same as Nya Kirby.
how can you be a decent pro footballer and go a full season without playing.

 

[djhotspur]

They all need loans out that will give them senior experience first imo. Scarlett didn't rip up many trees as far as goals were concerned although he has received praise for his work rate. He needs another loan imo.

Yeah I was surprised he wasn’t that successful and was dropped towards the end of the season, after Jose etc spoke so highly of him

 

[mark87]

 

[mark87]

 

[mark87]

Take a look at him, Ange.

 

[rabbikeane]

If we manage a full clear out of CB dross. I'd have Dorrington as 4th choice this season.

A little bit of hope for Harvey White is that I can see him do the inverted left back role. Can't see him play regularly as our no 6. But he's versatile, would have the midfielder skills when stepping into it from LB. And we all know he's the best set piece taker at the club.

True test of a club being willing to trust their young players though is not having too many senior players. And we're loaded at the moment.

 

[jpascavitz]

If we manage a full clear out of CB dross. I'd have Dorrington as 4th choice this season.

A little bit of hope for Harvey White is that I can see him do the inverted left back role. Can't see him play regularly as our no 6. But he's versatile, would have the midfielder skills when stepping into it from LB. And we all know he's the best set piece taker at the club.

True test of a club being willing to trust their young players though is not having too many senior players. And we're loaded at the moment.

Yeah tough one. Club is willing (seemingly) to sell if price is right for Sess, Regulion, Perisic, and Davies. If just Udogie there, can easily see him being useful, but you'd argue we're too bare at the position. But with Davies there we prob have too many bodies for him to get any time? We'll see!

 

[spurmin]

Take a look at him, Ange.

This guy is class. IMO

 

[Flobadob]

I really like what I’ve seen from this guy. Looks as good a CB prospect for his age as I’ve seen in our academy. Really big lad, very good on the ball, got real pace. Definitely doesn’t lack any of the raw ingredients you’d want to see.

 

[mark87]

From what I've seen of him, Alfie seems close to an all-round centre back as I've seen in our academy for a long time.

Now, I appreciate that it's only academy football he has played so far, but he's dominant in the air, very comfortable on the ball and good with the ball at his feet, his assist for Donley against Villa in the U18 PL cup final showing this.

I feel now is a good time for him to work with a manager like Ange, he's only been 18 for a couple months so if the gaffer likes what he sees and able to get a good grasp on where he is in his development then I trust him to decide what's best for him, whether it be get more U21 games, some first team minutes or even a loan.

 

[C0YS]

If we manage a full clear out of CB dross. I'd have Dorrington as 4th choice this season.

A little bit of hope for Harvey White is that I can see him do the inverted left back role. Can't see him play regularly as our no 6. But he's versatile, would have the midfielder skills when stepping into it from LB. And we all know he's the best set piece taker at the club.

True test of a club being willing to trust their young players though is not having too many senior players. And we're loaded at the moment.

Too early. Way too early I think. I doubt hes at the level yet. And Im a massive fan.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

From what I've seen of him, Alfie seems close to an all-round centre back as I've seen in our academy for a long time.

Now, I appreciate that it's only academy football he has played so far, but he's dominant in the air, very comfortable on the ball and good with the ball at his feet, his assist for Donley against Villa in the U18 PL cup final showing this.

I feel now is a good time for him to work with a manager like Ange, he's only been 18 for a couple months so if the gaffer likes what he sees and able to get a good grasp on where he is in his development then I trust him to decide what's best for him, whether it be get more U21 games, some first team minutes or even a loan.

Sounds great but is he playing for his country at u18 etc. if not is he really that good?

 

[Lilywhite Rose]