Spurs and VAR

[cwy21]

All of this would have been avoided by the VAR official saying something like 'Red 7 onside, award goal', instead of 'check complete'.

It's such a simple way to avoid ambiguity that I find it bizarre that's not how they sign off.

That's why the first basic step is the ref telling the var that the "on field decision is offside" or the "on field decision is goal".

 

[Alza]

Totally agree with regards to the way communication takes place being the crux of the problem. Rugby Union officials remove the ambiguity. There need to be communication protocols in place to prevent human error/miscommunication occurring.

For me the other contributing factor is how time pressured VAR officials are. They have faced criticism for the amount of time decisions take and are therefore attempting to make the decisions as quickly as possible. Again, football can learn from Rugby, stop the clock when VAR is being used. I’d be less bothered about the time it takes for the right decision to be made if I could see that match time wasn’t being wasted due to it.

 

[HodisGawd]

The onfield officials didn’t give the goal either. The technology isn’t the problem.

The linesman got it right. The intervention of VAR caused the mistake. Had VAR not been there, the decision would have been correct.

If you have tech that people can't use, which demonstrably they can't because this happens time and time again, then you have to either change the tech or drop it.

 

[14/04/91]

So glad we benefited but that is the worst VAR incident yet.
How the fuck did they think the goal had been given?? Did they have Strictly Come Dancing on the other screen?!
Absolutely shocking. Some of these preening officials need to be hauled in this week and read the riot act.

 

[JacoZA]

I firmly believe that bad officiating is bad for everyone - even when you benefit with a result on the day. I would much rather these issues get fixed or we return to life without VAR, than gain the odd win from them.

With that said, Liverpool and their fans can expect no sympathy from me. Klopp's behavior and comments after defeats are consistently the most petulant and disrespectful in the league. He is a fantastic manager and there's really no need to be insulting journalists or other teams/managers' style, as he tends to do.

 

[Whazam]

The linesman got it right. The intervention of VAR caused the mistake. Had VAR not been there, the decision would have been correct.

If you have tech that people can't use, which demonstrably they can't because this happens time and time again, then you have to either change the tech or drop it.

What do you mean? The linesman incorrectly flagged for offside, which was the very start of a chain of human fuck-ups.

 

[GutBucket]

Probably lost 2 points against Brentford and gained 2 against Liverpool with the 'help' of refs/VAR.

 

[Drink!Drink!]

After quite a few years of listening to the way referees in Rugby communicate with the TMO, clear and concise making sure to repeat back what they're being asked to look at and then all confirming that they all understand the decision being made I can't understand how the VAR yesterday didn't know explicitly what the onfield decision was, and what they were being asked to confirm. And then to compound it, VAR didn't even communicate back to the pitch what they'd found, simply saying 'check complete'.

They must still have had a chance to get back in the refs ear as he awarded a free kick and not the goal they thought they'd confirmed. VAR worked as it should - hell the VAR team even came to the right decision! It was just a monumental failure of communication.

Still funny though.

This seems such a sensible and obvious change to make. As with rugby and cricket the communication between officials should be heard by all.

if that happens yesterday then people would have spotted the miscommunication quickly and intervened
also, small but important for offsides shouldnt var be reporting offside or not offside…again if that came up on screens, yesterday couldn’t have happened

finally, so many teams have been victims of var mistakes, it’s not suddenly a global crisis just because this time it was Liverpool…naff ‘em…most humourless and dislikable fan base in the whole league

 

[PaulThurston]

Didn't the clubs all vote against using the semi automated offside system that worked so well at the World Cup?

 

[Matrix]

What do you mean? The linesman incorrectly flagged for offside, which was the very start of a chain of human fuck-ups.

I woundnt call the linesman putting up the flag a fuck up. It happened so quick it could have looked off to him, It was a mistake for whatever reason. It’s the comms or disconnect from the onfield and the VAR team that was the issue.

 

[Matrix]

Such a non-point.

If people can't use the technology properly, then technology IS the problem.

VAR simply doesn't work because the right decisions are not being made.

Nah mate, I work in tech, if people can’t use the tech properly then go train to use it better.
With this mind set we probably wouldn’t be as advanced in the human race.
Technology in this instance isn’t the problem as the comms between the teams broke down.

 

[mil1lion]

Nah mate, I work in tech, if people can’t use the tech properly then go train to use it better.
With this mind set we probably wouldn’t be as advanced in the human race.
Technology in this instance isn’t the problem as the comms between the teams broke down.

I've lost count the number of times a ref has an issue with his comms before kick off. It really pisses me off when the players prepare and are ready to start and the officials haven't thought to get connected up and tested in time. They're incompetent. The tech is ahead of the officials and in time AI will take a more central role.

 

[Dannyspur]

The VAR left the ‘checking’ screen on the displays for absolutely ages after play was restarted - perhaps they were having a punch up and forgot to turn it off.

 

[Matrix]

I've lost count the number of times a ref has an issue with his comms before kick off. It really pisses me off when the players prepare and are ready to start and the officials haven't thought to get connected up and tested in time. They're incompetent. The tech is ahead of the officials and in time AI will take a more central role.

Agree. It will be a more like what EAFC will have.
Feed in past situations so the AI can make the call. A human will be there to over see it.
Won’t be for another 20 odd years though I think.

 

[Whazam]

I woundnt call the linesman putting up the flag a fuck up. It happened so quick it could have looked off to him, It was a mistake for whatever reason. It’s the comms or disconnect from the onfield and the VAR team that was the issue.

Of course mate, it happens. That wasn't really my point, but simple to question how the poster I answered perceived it as "the linesman got it right", and made that particular decision VARs fault.

I completely agree with you.

 

[spursgirls]

There's two things that bother me.
1. If the VAR realised he had made a mistake, why didn't he tell the ref and correct it?
2. We haven't seen any angles that actually show for sure the moment the ball was actually kicked. What if it was a frame or two later and really was offside?

 

[eddiev14]

No sympathy. On the contrary, I’m loving the whinging from Liverpool and the pundits

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Not that I think they should do but they always put a still of the offence on the on screen monitor and then rerun it continuously in slow Mo. Not sure why Neville made a thing of that or why it was a surprise. Happened on the Romero handball last week as well.

 

[easley91]

Never seen so much uproar when it happens against us. Only for Liverpool eh? Still can't comprehend how the reds are being defended by people in the football world.

Accidental or not it's a potential leg breaker and his foot goes over the ball whilst touching the ball. It's a red all day long.

 

[the yid]

Just means we'll get a dodgy decision against us next week as officials will want to even things out even though it's happened to us literally every game this season