Spurs and VAR

[spurs9]

It would boggle more of Liverpool were one of the votes against it, which I suspect they were considering how much they have benefited from VAR

They would have and let's not let Liverpool's over reaction cloud reality, because no team in the league has benefited from more VAR calls then Liverpool. No team in the league has a better positive difference of VAR calls go for them vs against them than Liverpool.

They wouldn't have wanted increased accuracy and the removal of human judgement/bias to change that.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

I’d love to know if this is accurate.

 

[carmeldevil]

I’d love to know if this is accurate.

As long as it supports our deeply held feelings, I say it's 100% accurate.

 

[PCozzie]

I’d love to know if this is accurate.

Can't imagine there's a single inaccuracy in that. If it's on Twitter, it's true.

 

[wadewill]

That was only coming from some of the liverpool fans though, who as expected reacted in a calm and normal manner.

And the actual club judging by their statement

 

[Mr Pink]

No offence mate, but this is a Luddite point of view. It’s not made the game worse, it’s corrected tonnes of things that in days gone by would have been allowed to go down as mistakes.

It’s not VAR that is the problem, it’s the people using it.

True, very true.

But it's still taking away some of the euphoria in the moment in games.

Especially when a goal is scored and you stop your mmediate celebration for fear of VAR intervention.

Sorry mate, but that's shit. Celebrating your team score is whet it's all about ffs.

So, IMHO, it has ruined the game somewhat, from that point of view at least, even though we're more accurate with decision making.

 

[Tucker]

True, very true.

But it's still taking away some of the euphoria in the moment in games.

Especially when a goal is scored and you stop your mmediate celebration for fear of VAR intervention.

Sorry mate, but that's shit. Celebrating your team score is whet it's all about ffs.

So, IMHO, it has ruined the game somewhat, from that point of view at least, even though we're more accurate with decision making.

Yeah I agree on that one, but we all still celebrate anyway. It’s not like goals weren’t disallowed before VAR either.

 

[Mr Pink]

Yeah I agree on that one, but we all still celebrate anyway. It’s not like goals weren’t disallowed before VAR either.

No, but not to this extent mate.

 

[amathews3416]

I am glad the audio released as it’s clear as day that it was human error, a major one at that. But it goes back to Ange’s point in the presser, just because you have VAR it will never eliminate the possibility of human error occurring as they have to run the technology and make decisions.

If there is any good to come from this situation it will be VAR taking a look at this, evaluate and put some new procedures in place to prevent something like this from ever occurring again.

 

[cwy21]

He fucked up but I feel you can sense how much he was rushing during the check. It felt like there's a lot of pressure to get these checks done fast to not slow down the game.

The 10 seconds of silence after the RO brought it up was something. I think it's a known reaction to shut down when you begin to realize a catastrophic error has occurred.

 

[SlotBadger]

chaotic as you like, the fact it was the replay guy who picked it up first and seemingly none of the officials isn’t great.

No idea if this guy is serious but I properly laughed out loud when I read his reply, knowing exactly what it’ll do to Liverpool fans

 

[mr ashley]

Yeah I agree on that one, but we all still celebrate anyway. It’s not like goals weren’t disallowed before VAR either.

VAR has not affected the ‘absolute limbs’ celebration one iota.
But then it also never changed fans ability to celebrate at rugby or cricket either

 

[mil1lion]

Check complete.....you still lost

 

[spurmin]

He fucked up but I feel you can sense how much he was rushing during the check. It felt like there's a lot of pressure to get these checks done fast to not slow down the game.

The 10 seconds of silence after the RO brought it up was something. I think it's a known reaction to shut down when you begin to realize a catastrophic error has occurred.

The pundits and media asking for the decisions to be made quicker and that decisions are taking too long, are now the fools saying they panicked and made the decision too quickly due to pressure.
YES pressure from you muppets.

 

[chas vs dave]

The pundits and media asking for the decisions to be made quicker and that decisions are taking too long, are now the fools saying they panicked and made the decision too quickly due to pressure.
YES pressure from you muppets.

If you have the process right, then the decision can be quicker.

All they have to do is say goal, or no goal. Red, or no red.

Check complete is vague and doesn't reinforce the decision.

 

[FITZ]

They need to scrap VAR and go back to basics with the rules. It's done no real good since it was introduced, still a case of you win some and lose some and still endless debate over a fair amount of the verdicts. The wait after a goal is scored kills the atmosphere and moment, the amount of gametime spent paused kills momentum, the added time increases risk of injury etc. All so another ref can use human judgement that will still be disagreed with or debated. Get rid, it doesn't benefit the game.

Either that or else I don't see why they can't just have a screen on the touchline that the ref can use if unsure. Just him, at his discretion, double checking his own decisions. This current format is far too complicated and has too many people involved.

Just have a tv monitor that runs a few seconds behind that the fourth official can see. So when an incident happens, he can watch it in real time (no replays) and then inform the ref of any action.

When the main ref steps away from the field, it always seems like an accident waiting to happen as the ref has turned his back on the players and is no longer in control if anything kicked off.

 

[gavspur]

Why don’t they use the tech they had for the World Cup? I thought that flagged up an offside straight away with its wall/line? That seemed like a good idea.

 

[Shanks]

Why don’t they use the tech they had for the World Cup? I thought that flagged up an offside straight away with its wall/line? That seemed like a good idea.

That’s what the clubs voted against using, but that’s the one I’d use, set a threshold of distance and body per, share it publicly - done and dusted.

On field reviews or VAR for fouls/handballs

 

[glacierSpurs]

So now VAR has made changes to their communication protocol after this game.

PGMOL should build a Spurs statue or crest in their HQ/office in honour of our contributions. So many times the VAR and refereeing standard has been made better because/at the expense of us.

 

[Gb160]

I've said before and I still maintain it should just be like or similar to the review system in cricket; each side has say 3 reviews per match or half (max 1 minute per review so max 6 minutes per match or whatever)
If your defender is adamant the opponent dived for a pen or a tackle was clean they speak to their on field captain only he can approach the ref asks him for a video review, ref goes to a screen alone either decision stands or is amended; if the appeal is "frivolous" the team loses one of it's allotted remaining reviews, if the decision to overturn is successful they keep their number of appeals. If at any point they start surround officials they lose reviews

That way it's on the players to be sure before appealing. Harassment officials stops. Match officials are given "room" to make an error (we're all human at the end of the day) knowing there is a mechanism to correct it during a match, if it comes down to "clear and obvious" if you have to zoom in to the minutest pixel or it takes longer than 30-60 seconds it's not "clear and obvious"

Anyhooo...

Nah wouldn't work. Players/managers would use any unused reviews to disrupt the flow of the game in the dying minutes...they can't be involved in it.
The flow of football and cricket is very different...the ball is in play in cricket for a much lower % of the time the players are on the field.

There were always going to be bumps in the VAR road. The reason its works well (although still not perfectly) in Rugby is because they've been using it and ironing it out since 2001.

Saying that I'd happily chuck the whole lot in the bin just to be able to properly celebrate scoring a goal when it actually happens again.

... I miss that

This latest saga is just going to mean longer delays to finally confirm goals because the VAR are going to be terrified of fucking up.