Sin-bin trial plan recommended for professional games

[cwy21]

FWIW

 

[SixtyFour]

Having a little swim against the tide here: but I think it is a reasonable idea to trial at least. Tactical fouls to stop counter-attacks happen every single game and are blatant anti-football. Every coach will tell their players to do it and take the yellow. Why? Because the gain so clearly outweighs the punishment.

My two riders would be - 1) they set the bar pretty high. Just take the really obvious ones. We know them when we see them. 2) don’t let VAR within a million miles of it. Up to the ref, like a yellow.

Oh and 3) just flash one at Fabinho as soon as he steps on the pitch

 

[Misfit]

What could go wrong?

They need to fix the problems VAR has introduced before throwing in more wrinkles.

Godspeed to the guinea pig lowers leagues.

 

[cwy21]

What could go wrong?

They need to fix the problems VAR has introduced before throwing in more wrinkles.

Godspeed to the guinea pig lowers leagues.

But the lower leagues don't have VAR so what does fixing that have to do with a potential trial?

 

[Riandor]

Say hello to more injuries.
It’s bad enough with the stop start due to VAR.

If I had to decide on what a blue card did, enforced substitution. I appreciate that probably favours the richer teams, but it would make a subs bench more interesting.

 

[easley91]

I'll see how it goes before judging. I'm not mad at it. I'm sure there were calls for "orange" cards and sin bins as there were tackles that were more than a yellow but not quite reds.

I'm intrigued.

 

[Stamford]

Having a little swim against the tide here: but I think it is a reasonable idea to trial at least. Tactical fouls to stop counter-attacks happen every single game and are blatant anti-football. Every coach will tell their players to do it and take the yellow. Why? Because the gain so clearly outweighs the punishment.

My two riders would be - 1) they set the bar pretty high. Just take the really obvious ones. We know them when we see them. 2) don’t let VAR within a million miles of it. Up to the ref, like a yellow.

Oh and 3) just flash one at Fabinho as soon as he steps on the pitch

But why don't the refs just give a yellow for those fouls. Dissent is the same. If the officiating was consistent they could stamp out dissent but they apply the rules for two weeks in August and it then disappears.

 

[SixtyFour]

But why don't the refs just give a yellow for those fouls. Dissent is the same. If the officiating was consistent they could stamp out dissent but they apply the rules for two weeks in August and it then disappears.

I think that in general they do give yellows for tactical, attack breaking take-one-for-the-team fouls. A good example would be Donley’s recent pull-back in the closing minutes against Brentford. No attempt to play the ball, the intent was crystal clear and everyone watching knew exactly what it was and that he would get a yellow. So that should not be hard to identify and give as a sin-bin offense, which would be a more fitting deterent.

 

[Haddock]

I'm sceptical. As we've seen the past years in football with VAR, efforts to regulate ends up causing even more 50/50 decisions and arbitration. The blue cards will just be one more talking point in the studio and for Arteta to complain about.

I'm with Ange on this. A lot of things were better when the referee on the pitch was the one actually controlling the flow of the game.

 

[Misfit]

But the lower leagues don't have VAR so what does fixing that have to do with a potential trial?

Er nothing. Basically, it'll work as well as VAR when introduced because of the brain trust in charge. Lucky old lower leagues not being saddled with VAR. No such luck with this scheme.

I can see it now. One team complains about a ref's bias "we're down to ten men but they weren't" Yadda Yadda Yadda.

This whole problem is because refs are weak and inconsistent. They already have recourse (bookings) but refuse to use it or are, as per usual, painfully inconsistent with it. I see nothing in this new system that rectifies the problem.

Plus, God only knows what it'll do to games in terms of flow/spectacle.

 

[PCozzie]

With a continuously ticking clock, all those extra seconds taken over a throw in or goal kick, or that little ankle tap that absolutely must be treated right there on the pitch by the physios for 7 and a half minutes are going to be a big feature of the 10 minute sin-bin period.

Restarting play after a routine foul is going to become more tedious than reading War & Peace.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

I think that in general they do give yellows for tactical, attack breaking take-one-for-the-team fouls. A good example would be Donley’s recent pull-back in the closing minutes against Brentford. No attempt to play the ball, the intent was crystal clear and everyone watching knew exactly what it was and that he would get a yellow. So that should not be hard to identify and give as a sin-bin offense, which would be a more fitting deterent.

The problem is they never give them consistently.

we played Arsenal earlier in the year and Odegaard made a 100% textbook cynical pull back right in the refs face and he failed to card him, imagine if that happened and then your player is sin binned for the exact same offense, you'd be fuming.

so many games i watch where the refs fail to make a call they are in plain sight of, not even objective calls.

refereeing stinks, they need to fix what they have before adding more to the mess.

 

[Yid-ol]

I think that in general they do give yellows for tactical, attack breaking take-one-for-the-team fouls. A good example would be Donley’s recent pull-back in the closing minutes against Brentford. No attempt to play the ball, the intent was crystal clear and everyone watching knew exactly what it was and that he would get a yellow. So that should not be hard to identify and give as a sin-bin offense, which would be a more fitting deterent.

If you look at it this way, if Donley was already on a yellow before he did that pull back, would he then just get a blue card for it? W 2nd yellow and then off?

If it's a second yellow but someone else only got a blue for the same thing then the consistency is screwed! Still leaves the interpretation open too much to the refs.

 

[PCozzie]

If you look at it this way, if Donley was already on a yellow before he did that pull back, would he then just get a blue card for it? W 2nd yellow and then off?

If it's a second yellow but someone else only got a blue for the same thing then the consistency is screwed! Still leaves the interpretation open too much to the refs.

Hmm yes. A player on a first half yellow at the moment knows he's one late challenge, or a shirt tug to stop an attack away from a red. The same player in the future will now get one cynical foul early in the second half to stop a breakaway attack and a take a blue card but return to play 10 minutes later.

Unless the ref has a choice between the blus and a second yellow - but that leaves him open to accusations of manipulating the game arbitrarily.

 

[EighteenEightyTwo]

If the aim is to actually deter/stop cynical fouls and dissent in order to make the game better why not just make them red cards?

 

[Nerine]

Is it a good idea from a players physical perspective?
Muscles working at 100%
Sin bin.
Cool off for 10 mins.
Back to explosive 100% straight away.
I assume the players would keep moving/warm throughout to prevent injury.

 

[Dunc2610]

Is it a good idea from a players physical perspective?
Muscles working at 100%
Sin bin.
Cool off for 10 mins.
Back to explosive 100% straight away.
I assume the players would keep moving/warm throughout to prevent injury.

Thats what they do in rugby, they usually have a bike on the sidelines, but there's not really room at every ground for this, so no idea how it would work.

 

[ReadieSpur]

Have they said what would happen if a Keeper got a blue card? you couldn't have a player allowed to move position for 10 mins and begin 'Handballing' it. equally you couldnt play without a goal keeper surely? replacing the keeper with another for 10 mins would defeat the point.

 

[Tonio]

Im all for punishing the pro foul. It's cheating pure and simple and certain teams do it more than others. Whether the right way to punish is the blue card I'm not sure but something needs doing.

 

[Yid-ol]

Have they said what would happen if a Keeper got a blue card? you couldn't have a player allowed to move position for 10 mins and begin 'Handballing' it. equally you couldnt play without a goal keeper surely? replacing the keeper with another for 10 mins would defeat the point.

Also if there is say 2 minutes left of a game and a player gets a blue card. Does the other 8 minutes get cleared, or would the other 8 minutes carry on to next match?