Sherwood has gone!

[0-Tibsy-0]

I just heard that interview, I'm starting to feel really sorry for him.

Still don't think Tim is right for the club but the way he is being treated is very unbecoming of the club

I hope that the Club have been honest with him and hes maintaining a party line. Whatever I think about him on this board, I still want Spurs to act with dignity and don't want someone who has worked for us to be completely manipulated and used. Saying that, it's just as feasible that Sherwood is saying things to suit his own selfish agenda-who knows.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think people need to ease off a little on the hate. He does talk a lot of shit but he doesn't talk bad of Tottenham and he's in a pretty shit position at the moment. The very first thing Jim White said was something along the lines of 'so what we do know is you won't be in charge next season' or something that meant the same as that. It was pretty cutting and he just answered as he felt fit.

He may well believe Lennon has been that good that he's kept Townsend out. He may well believe that Townsend was a cert for the WC. He may genuinely think we have 40k people on the season ticket waiting list! He may say stuff that sounds bitter about AVB re not having a good first half of the season. (For those unaware, all the above was mentioned in the SSN interview).

But he also repeated how much of an honour it is to manage the club. He is more honest and realistic when asked about next season. From 'I'll be the manager' to 'we'll have to wait and see' in a matter of days is telling. He knows his time is up. He knows Spurs have gone behind his back. We should cut him a little slack and back him for his last couple of games.

Hard to figure out why it's such an honour though, Levy's a liar who doesn't give managers time, doesn't run the club like Liverpool and isn't backing him, Baldini's and idiot who's wasted 100m on lots of johnny Foreigners, The players don't care if we lose and only two are any good and the fans are spoilt impatient fools who sing Soldado's name if Kane hasn't scored inside half an hour.

This week I've read him slagging spurs off for not bringing more kids through "like Liverpool" instead of buying "flash in the pan foreigners who don't care about the club" and in the same interview bemoaning the lack of Modric.

You really think his "it's an honour" blarney has the ring of truth ? Seems more like sugar coating for the pill to me ?

 

[Kirito]

If Sherwood was an invisible mute I'd be happy for him to continue just as long as the football did improve.

Unfortunately he isn't and it won't.

 

[SelbYido]

sooner dim goes the better mans an idiot

With a comma or two that reads like early mankind praying for sunlight, while also decrying the lack of intelligence among his species...

(insert joke here)

I'd love to post a big comment explaining my feelings on Sherwood/AVB/next season but thankfully @Shea and @bomberH have said everything I intended to so...

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/sherwood-out.105259/page-696#post-3998427

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/sherwood-out.105259/page-699#post-3999152


...& I'm off to bed.

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

Again with the polarised nature of this debate, Anti Sherwood, Anti AVB, Pro Sherwood, Pro AVB.. blah blah blah.

I'd have to say though that whilst AVB has copped a bit of abuse, some it unfair, he's got nothing like the shit meted out to Sherwood which in many cases doesn't even discuss any ability he may have and just calls him names.

This is for the simple fact that AVB has conducted himself with total class in almost all the media interviews since his appointment as the Head Coach/Manager......While TS......sorry, too many negative pointers to raise......

 

[Flashspur]

The whole discussion is kind of redundant re AVB vs Tim. AVB is goneski!

But speaking of Tim, he is a lucky bugger. Spurs haven't had a lucky manager for a long while. Maybe we should hang on to him. If he can turn out a win like the one against Stoke where 10 men played us off the park and we still bagged the 3 points, who knows what he may do next season?

 

[roosh]

The whole discussion is kind of redundant re AVB vs Tim. AVB is goneski!

But speaking of Tim, he is a lucky bugger. Spurs haven't had a lucky manager for a long while. Maybe we should hang on to him. If he can turn out a win like the one against Stoke where 10 men played us off the park and we still bagged the 3 points, who knows what he may do next season?

I can understand why people may have compared the 2 in the beginning, it's only natural, but there's no point in looking backwards, we need to be looking forwards. The question now is, is there a manager who we feel could do a better job than Sherwood.

 

[roosh]

What is it that Sherwood has said publically that winds people up so much? The fact that he's been critical of the players? What utter utter nonsense.as one example I was among those who sat through the disgrace of the Chelsea capitulation and he was absolutely right. As another as much as it made all his fan club gasp Sherwood was absolutely right about Sandro-anyone who thinks he's been even close to good enough when he actually manages to get on the pitch is talking nonsense. As another he was spot on about the fans preferring 'big name' signings to youngsters- the treatment of Bentaleb and to a lesser extent Kane while other more glamorous sounding players are cut slack game in game out is pathetic. That's just three examples of several occasions on which he has got it absolutely spot on. I don't know why supporters prefer being fed artificial, sterile nonsense in the media to the truth.

The question is, would a more experienced manager, who could command greater respect have gotten more out of those players?

 

[avonspurs]

What is it that Sherwood has said publically that winds people up so much? The fact that he's been critical of the players? What utter utter nonsense.as one example I was among those who sat through the disgrace of the Chelsea capitulation and he was absolutely right. As another as much as it made all his fan club gasp Sherwood was absolutely right about Sandro-anyone who thinks he's been even close to good enough when he actually manages to get on the pitch is talking nonsense. As another he was spot on about the fans preferring 'big name' signings to youngsters- the treatment of Bentaleb and to a lesser extent Kane while other more glamorous sounding players are cut slack game in game out is pathetic. That's just three examples of several occasions on which he has got it absolutely spot on. I don't know why supporters prefer being fed artificial, sterile nonsense in the media to the truth.

Doesn't wind me up. What staggers me, as a supporter of the club, is the following:
1. The hypocrisy of his statements
2. The lack of experience
3. The constant washing in public of issues with players. It's one thing to have a go at them collectively for, say, the Chelscum game; its another entirely to single out individuals. This should be done in-house.


Also, please don't assume to speak for all fans with the "we prefer buying players" cr*p that TS also spouted. You don't speak for me, so don't assume to.

Lastly, this constant fixation on his media persona by those who argue against TS and those who support him do a disservice to both sides of that argument.

 

[sam1972]

I wonder if the club know how unpopular he is.

 

[Dr Know]

2.Lack of experience at what? AVB never played football at the highest level let alone won a Prem League title, but people didn't go on about his 'lack of experience'. Sherwood was captain of a team that won the league containing several huge characters, he has more knowledge of football in his little finger than all of us on here put together. As for coaching and tactical preparation, how can anyone on here comment on it? Do they attend the training sessions and sit in the dressing room before games? Whether people want to accept it a manager can compile dossiers and strategies until the cows come home but at the end of the day it is footballers who have to go out and execute it.

Ok so let's just go along with what you're saying for a minute:

He does sort the tactics, he takes training like any other professional coach, he does have more knowledge in his little finger than most......................will he will fit right into the Sam Allardyce club then.......even Tony Pulis decided to quit!

Whether people want to accept it a manager can compile dossiers and strategies until the cows come home but at the end of the day it is footballers who have to go out and execute it.

Well that's down to poor management IMO. If you as a manager can't get your staff to execute your instructions then maybe you need to look at the way you're delivering that message.

We bemoaned the fact that we never get the rub of the green but this season we got it........................... backdated a few seasons too!!!

We have got to where we are today with 90% luck and 10% football

BTW, I'm very disappointed with how the club is handling this situation however not surprised. DL needs to either speak to TS in private and let him know that he's going to be here next season. Then when asked in the press his answer should be "I'm here to talk about the game this weekend so will only be answering related questions" or DL needs to tell him that he's being replaced and again if he's the professional some of you keep saying he is the response to the press should be the same

 

[avonspurs]

1.Find me a manager who that accusation couldn't be levelled at.
2.Lack of experience at what? AVB never played football at the highest level let alone won a Prem League title, but people didn't go on about his 'lack of experience'. Sherwood was captain of a team that won the league containing several huge characters, he has more knowledge of football in his little finger than all of us on here put together. As for coaching and tactical preparation, how can anyone on here comment on it? Do they attend the training sessions and sit in the dressing room before games? Whether people want to accept it a manager can compile dossiers and strategies until the cows come home but at the end of the day it is footballers who have to go out and execute it.
3.Can't think of too many occasions where he's singled out individuals. Sandro, for example, started it with his petulant tweet (heresy to blame a player and not Sherwood I know). As for his perceived lack of 'man management' skills- how come Adebayor loves him so much?

I don't assume to speak for all fans but I've been to enough games when the crowd have been baying for the hapless Soldado to know that a 'name' is cut far more slack than a rudimentary youth product. Bentaleb's treatment in particular has really bothered me this season. He's shown more heart than all other members of the squad put together but we're now in the position where the manager is not playing him to protect him from being made a scapegoat. The people taking the flak for this horrid season don't deserve it.

1. Find me a manager that has made so many blatantly contradictory statements in such a short period of time?
2. Experience in managing at any level and managing players at this specific level. Being a top player does not necessarily mean they become good managers. In the same way that being a leader on the pitch does not necessarily equate to being a leader of men of it.
3. Sandro did a innocuous tweet (obv you disagree). TS statement went way past that. Also TS statement about Capoue when he became manager (surprising statement given that he has followed this up with statements about "no one knows this club like I do"....juat one of his contradictory statements)

Bentalabs treatment by some (emphasis on some) was OTT but i saw that as a reaction to the fact that Sherwood continued to play him even when he didn't have good games OR when fans felt a different player was more suited to the opponents (in the same way people have discussions about Dawson over Kaboul, or Townsend over Lennon, etc). Bentalbs treatment was no different to some fans treatment of Lennon (a purchased player) when they wanted Townsend (a youth player) to take his place.

 

[FITZ]

I don't think Sherwood will be able to maintain the point ratio next year, as I don't think the players (such as lloris) will stick around whilst a young manager tries to learn the game. Not sure we will have the pull to attract similar targets in the summer with Tim in charge.

 

[mark timms]

1.Find me a manager who that accusation couldn't be levelled at.
2.Lack of experience at what? AVB never played football at the highest level let alone won a Prem League title, but people didn't go on about his 'lack of experience'. Sherwood was captain of a team that won the league containing several huge characters, he has more knowledge of football in his little finger than all of us on here put together. As for coaching and tactical preparation, how can anyone on here comment on it? Do they attend the training sessions and sit in the dressing room before games? Whether people want to accept it a manager can compile dossiers and strategies until the cows come home but at the end of the day it is footballers who have to go out and execute it.
3.Can't think of too many occasions where he's singled out individuals. Sandro, for example, started it with his petulant tweet (heresy to blame a player and not Sherwood I know). As for his perceived lack of 'man management' skills- how come Adebayor loves him so much?

I don't assume to speak for all fans but I've been to enough games when the crowd have been baying for the hapless Soldado to know that a 'name' is cut far more slack than a rudimentary youth product. Bentaleb's treatment in particular has really bothered me this season. He's shown more heart than all other members of the squad put together but we're now in the position where the manager is not playing him to protect him from being made a scapegoat. The people taking the flak for this horrid season don't deserve it.

AVB had experience as a manager,Sherwood has never managed a team so has no experience
Being captain of a team that bought a title does not mean you can become a good manager
How do you know what football experience I have had or what I know about football?
He may have a tactical plan but from my seat that I sit in every week I can't see any fluid plan
I doubt anyone has a problem with playing youth players but to keep playing bentelab when better players were on the bench and also when the youngster wasn't performing was stubborn and bloody kindness of the manager, if he's that confident with the lad don't drop him to the bench and nog play him at all, stick to your guns and play him.
I have not heard any singing about bentelab but I have about soldado regarding Kane which is a shame but I've also heard he plays on the left chants about a player who was sold for a record fee

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I wonder if the club know how unpopular he is.

You can be sure of it. I know for a fact that they are on SC.

And on that note

I do feel a bit sorry for Sherwood and wish him well.

*Points the finger at Daniel "Better the devil you know, be careful what you wish for, he who can do no wrong" Levy.

Get this mess sorted out or fuck right off. Enough already.

 

[avonspurs]

You can be sure of it. I know for a fact that they are on SC.

And on that note

I do feel a bit sorry for Sherwood and wish him well.

*Points the finger at Daniel "Better the devil you know, be careful what you wish for, he who can do no wrong" Levy.

Get this mess sorted out or fuck right off. Enough already.

But that's our perception. For all we know, within the club, things are crystal clear between Levy and Sherwood, etc...


...... yeah, I know - they're not but you can't blame a man for trying to put a different slant on it, can you?

 

[Shea]

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/spurs/news/clemence-sherwood-deserves-more-time_152655.html

Clemence giving his opinion on the Sherwood out situation (not sure how qualified he is to judge considering my memories of his own time in the hotseat )

Former Tottenham Hotspur goalkeeper Ray Clemence has claimed that Tim Sherwood deserves more time to manage the club.

Sherwood, who took charge of Spurs in December, is expected to be sacked at the end of the season following a run of indifferent results.

Current Ajax boss Frank de Boer is reportedly in line to replace the 45-year-old at White Hart Lane, though Tottenham confirmed on Wednesday that no talks had been held between themselves and the Dutchman.

With Sherwood's future in doubt, Clemence believes that the former midfielder should be given more time to prove himself in North London.

"I would hope he would be given a bit more time," the 65-year-old is quoted as saying by Sky Sports News. "Tim has a good record compared to Arsene Wenger and Roberto Martinez.

"Wenger has been offered a new contract, everyone talks about how well Martinez has done, but everyone is talking about Tim - who has nearly done as well as they have towards the back end of the season - getting the sack. It really is a strange world we live in.

"All of us that have been involved want to see as many English coaches and managers being involved at the top clubs. There is an obsession at the moment that foreign is better."

Spurs are back in Premier League action on Saturday when they face West Ham United at Upton Park.

 

[Shea]

What will be interesting is if we win the last two games

That would mean we finish on the same points total as last season - and do so without Bale

Considering how people used this records points tally as some sort of empherical evidence of AVB's greatness and reason for why he should have been kept on - will those same people be saying the same of Sherwood for his role in equalling this tally without Bale and from a position deemed so bad our previous manager had to be sacked? (of course not)

It would however make quite the mockery of the suggestion that last seasons points tally was better or even as impressive as the two seasons under Harry where we finished fourth and once and for all put to bed that silly debate and prove that finish in the table is a far better indicator as performance than points tally (as points tally is so dependant on the overall strength or weakness of the league in a given season)

Indeed the fact we're even able to equal the record points tally with two games to play of this total balls up of a season really puts that record points tally last season in to context in my opinion

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/spurs/news/clemence-sherwood-deserves-more-time_152655.html

Clemence giving his opinion on the Sherwood out situation (not sure how qualified he is to judge considering my memories of his own time in the hotseat )

Some of these people are idiots.

We have been comprehensively beaten by each of the top 4 since Tim has been in charge. Not just lost by the odd goal after playing well, but performed shambolically and got our ass handed to us on a plate. This is the group we aspire to be part of. Under Tim we look miles away from being able to compete with them.

Beating teams you have greater resources than is no basis to give the manager more time. If Tim had got us playing good football and looking like a team who could perform well against our top four rivals I could see an argument to keep him on, but he hasn't.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

What will be interesting is if we win the last two games

That would mean we finish on the same points total as last season - and do so without Bale

Considering how people used this records points tally as some sort of empherical evidence of AVB's greatness and reason for why he should have been kept on - will those same people be saying the same of Sherwood for his role in equalling this tally without Bale and from a position deemed so bad our previous manager had to be sacked? (of course not)

It would however make quite the mockery of the suggestion that last seasons points tally was better or even as impressive as the two seasons under Harry where we finished fourth and once and for all put to bed that silly debate and prove that finish in the table is a far better indicator as performance than points tally (as points tally is so dependant on the overall strength or weakness of the league in a given season)

Indeed the fact we're even able to equal the record points tally with two games to play of this total balls up of a season really puts that record points tally last season in to context in my opinion

Tim wouldn't have reached that points total by himself though. He hasn't been in charge for the whole season.