Robinson Penalty Saves

[SpurSince57]

Trouble is SS you lump everyone who criticises in one handy heap, the better to dismiss them, but I think you're in danger of deceiving yourself if you think the criticism Robbo receives stems from the same "got to slag someone" source.

My advice would be to ignore the usual bollocks but engage with opinions fairly arrived at and expressed. Apart from anything else it will mean your opinions will more likely be received in the same spirit.

I've no problem with Robinson getting criticism. It's people who confuse criticism with hilariously original pie jokes, or 'X is shit' that I have the problem with. And you know as well as I do that as soon as our new keeper, whoever he is, drops one or two clangers—and he will—that the village idiots will be out in full force.

Should I start a 'Kameni is shit' thread now, just to save time?

 

[paul_1979yid]

I've no problem with Robinson getting criticism. It's people who confuse criticism with hilariously original pie jokes, or 'X is shit' that I have the problem with. And you know as well as I do that as soon as our new keeper, whoever he is, drops one or two clangers—and he will—that the village idiots will be out in full force.

Should I start a 'Kameni is shit' thread now, just to save time?

You just seem to think the sun shines out of all our players arse's and anyone who has an opinion just SLIGHTLY different to you is wrong. I thought the fans go to the games,pay good money to get n and watch the team therfore are allowed our opinion?

If i say a player is not performing or is shit does not make me or anyone else 'Fickle' or 'not a true fan'. Just means we maybe dont have the same view as you.

No shoot me down with ya put downs and stats Mr 57

 

[General Levy]

You just seem to think the sun shines out of all our players arse's and anyone who has an opinion just SLIGHTLY different to you is wrong. I thought the fans go to the games,pay good money to get n and watch the team therfore are allowed our opinion?

If i say a player is not performing or is shit does not make me or anyone else 'Fickle' or 'not a true fan'. Just means we maybe dont have the same view as you.

No shoot me down with ya put downs and stats Mr 57

Ultimately, this is it with SS57. His view is always correct, and he spends keyboard hours vigorously defending them (cheers N10toN17), even when he is wrong.

 

[SpurSince57]

You just seem to think the sun shines out of all our players arse's and anyone who has an opinion just SLIGHTLY different to you is wrong. I thought the fans go to the games,pay good money to get n and watch the team therfore are allowed our opinion?

If i say a player is not performing or is shit does not make me or anyone else 'Fickle' or 'not a true fan'. Just means we maybe dont have the same view as you.

No shoot me down with ya put downs and stats Mr 57

I don't have a problem with anyone criticising our players. It's those that don't understand what the word 'criticism' means that I have difficulty with.

Oh, I just posted that…

Let me try and explain.

If you say a player isn't performing and give a reasoned argument why you feel that way, you'll get a reasoned argument back; alternatively, I might actually agree with you.

If all you can come out with is 'He's shit' then you know what to expect.

 

[SpurSince57]

Ultimately, this is it with SS57. His view is always correct, and he spends keyboard hours vigorously defending them (cheers N10toN17), even when he is wrong.

Hmmm.

General Levy activity 84%
SS57 activity 88%

Well spotted.

 

[AngerManagement]

Hmmm.

General Levy activity 84%
SS57 activity 88%

Well spotted.

Activity: 89%

 

[General Levy]

Hmmm.

General Levy activity 84%
SS57 activity 88%

Well spotted.

When I wrong, I'm wrong. But when you're wrong, you're right.

That is the difference. Not that you're always right, you are unable to accept that sometimes, you are wrong.mg:

 

[Damian99]

Gomes got much closer to our pens and his pen save was absolutely world class at full stretch.

Sorry i don't share your opinion on that, Jeans's penalty was very poor, no real pace and at a height most goalkeepers(at a decent level) guessing the right way, would have saved.

How anyone can rate Gomes is beyond belief, he couldn't catch a bus, now he would be a liability in goals.

He dropped every ball/cross into the box, but managed to get away with it. He wouldn't get away with that week in and week out and would get punished accordingly.

 

[paul_1979yid]

I don't have a problem with anyone criticising our players. It's those that don't understand what the word 'criticism' means that I have difficulty with.

Oh, I just posted that…

Let me try and explain.

If you say a player isn't performing and give a reasoned argument why you feel that way, you'll get a reasoned argument back; alternatively, I might actually agree with you.

If all you can come out with is 'He's shit' then you know what to expect.

:shhh:

 

[CaptainCat]

for me in regard to penalty saves, the best keepers are the ones that do not just guess, sure they will not save every penalty, but they will save poorly placed and weakly struck penalties

Robbo just pickes a side and thats why he will never be one of the best at saving penalties

That's it 100%. You can't just pick a side and hope that you're right. Penalty saving is all about reading the taker. Watching their eyes, body language, run up, and not committing yourself until they've struck the ball. That's why Jenas's penalty was bad... because it was so deliberate. Not that I'm blaming him for us losing, I'm just making a point.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Did any Tottenham supporter think we would win once it went to Pens?
Apart from the 1 that virtually got hit straight at him, Robbo did not get within 4 yards of any of the other penalties. Our boys were made to work alot harder with their spot kicks.

Goalkeeping in general and penalties have little to do with luck, Gomes went the right way for almost every kick where as Robbo went the wrong way.

He probably did have his best game for ages before the penalties but he's made so many mistakes in the last year and has no command of his area anymore.
Infact I reckon he's made more mistakes than any other keeper I can remember since Sullivan, which make Keller and Walker better keepers, apart from their kicking!

Tottenham's number 2 next season, if he stays.

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

Did any Tottenham supporter think we would win once it went to Pens?
Apart from the 1 that virtually got hit straight at him, Robbo did not get within 4 yards of any of the other penalties. Our boys were made to work alot harder with their spot kicks.

Goalkeeping in general and penalties have little to do with luck, Gomes went the right way for almost every kick where as Robbo went the wrong way.

He probably did have his best game for ages before the penalties but he's made so many mistakes in the last year and has no command of his area anymore.
Infact I reckon he's made more mistakes than any other keeper I can remember since Sullivan, which make Keller and Walker better keepers, apart from their kicking!

Tottenham's number 2 next season, if he stays.

to be honest once it went to penalties I thought that was it and why I was a little dissappointed with extra time, one goal would have won it for us with the away goals rule, they would have had to score two

the reason why I thought that was it, was because I dont have faith in Robbo when it comes to penalties, he goes about it the wrong way in chosing to guess, when he saves one its just a lucky guess which is not often :wink:

its better to make the striker chose a side, not make it easy for him by doing it yourself, Berbs penalty in the cup final showed that, he waited for the keeper to commit and just went the other way

 

[Damian99]

That's it 100%. You can't just pick a side and hope that you're right. Penalty saving is all about reading the taker. Watching their eyes, body language, run up, and not committing yourself until they've struck the ball. That's why Jenas's penalty was bad... because it was so deliberate. Not that I'm blaming him for us losing, I'm just making a point.

Thats nonsense, ive taken penalties(at a lower level of course) in a shoot out, i knew before it was my turn where i would put my penalty. On my turn i never once looked at the keeper, he had no idea not even from my run up what side i would put my penalty, providing i was accurate, hit the ball true enough, its going in. I doubt many keepers wait for the taker to strike the ball before they move, just watch penalties in general most keepers dive before the balls struck. Jenas's penalty would have been a good one had the keeper gone the wrong way, but as ive already said, he went the right way and it was easy enough for most keepers to save, nice height and not to much pace. I don't think O'Hara's was much better either other than it went in. Take keane for example he usually puts his in the same side, keepers know this, it's why he missed 2/3? in a row. Unless a keeper has studied a particularly penalty taker, then imo its guess work and a lot of luck, or a poorly taken penalty

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Thats nonsense, ive taken penalties(at a lower level of course) in a shoot out, i knew before it was my turn where i would put my penalty. On my turn i never once looked at the keeper, he had no idea not even from my run up what side i would put my penalty, providing i was accurate, hit the ball true enough, its going in. I doubt many keepers wait for the taker to strike the ball before they move, just watch penalties in general most keepers dive before the balls struck. Jenas's penalty would have been a good one had the keeper gone the wrong way, but as ive already said, he went the right way and it was easy enough for most keepers to save, nice height and not to much pace. I don't think O'Hara's was much better either other than it went in. Take keane for example he usually puts his in the same side, keepers know this, it's why he missed 2/3? in a row. Unless a keeper has studied a particularly penalty taker, then imo its guess work and a lot of luck, or a poorly taken penalty

The best keepers and penalty takers can wait until the very last milli-second before committing themselves to 1 side or the other.
To asume Gomes got lucky going the right way 90% of the time and Robbo unlucky 90% of the time is madness.

 

[Damian99]

The best keepers and penalty takers can wait until the very last milli-second before committing themselves to 1 side or the other.
To asume Gomes got lucky going the right way 90% of the time and Robbo unlucky 90% of the time is madness.

How many Penalties did both keepers save???? :shrug:

Milli second? Are you having a laugh. How many Penalties have you seen where the keepers doesn't move before the pens taken(and i'm not talking milli seconds before)

ps I think the Answer is one each irrelevant to which way they dived. They(psv) bar the missed penalty, took some exceptional penalties, pace and power into the corners(more or less) you aint saving those unless you move early(and thats down to guess work and luck) How many penalties do you believe would be saved if a keeper never dived? I've seen a lot hit straight down the middle, is that because the taker knows the keepers going to move before he takes it? Ronaldo takes a "stop/start" run up(which imo should be stopped) and makes the keeper make his move first.

 

[Cicinho]

Sure people know how i feel about Robbo.

Nice bloke etc... but he has to go, bottom line.

have to agree...can't believe people are saying Robbo has had no luck...has had quite enough luck getting back in them team having not deserved it, his save attempts last thursday were absolutley shocking no matter what anybody says...diving over a second before the shot was taking was woeful, he went the wrong way on all of them except for the one he saved, not good enough, but some fans will blindly support him what ever he does anyway

 

[SpurSince57]

So you feel he was 'lucky' getting back into the team?

If you don't understand why Ramos dropped Cerny and brought Robbo back, I suggest you give it some thought.

 

[Cicinho]

So you feel he was 'lucky' getting back into the team?

If you don't understand why Ramos dropped Cerny and brought Robbo back, I suggest you give it some thought.

i actually quite agree with you on alot of things but honestly, what Cerny did to get dropped was no where close to the magnitude of what Robbo's done, alot more howlers, please.

 

[General Levy]

So you feel he was 'lucky' getting back into the team?

If you don't understand why Ramos dropped Cerny and brought Robbo back, I suggest you give it some thought.

Possibly because he will be sold in the summer? And, with that, keeping him in the reserves diminishes his sell on value...

 

[stemark44]

I know Robbo was pretty poor at the pens and I was surprised he saved one but Jenas had a chance to put us through and fluffed it.I am not looking for a scapegoat but if I am taking the last pen to send the team through,I would take a long run up,pick a spot,keep my head down and kick it as hard as I could.Berbatov is the only player that should take cute penalties,the rest should just go for power!