Ratings vs Man Utd

[Spurs_Bear]

The whole 'shooting match' was undermined by a poor managers decision making....Quelle surprise! I fear that we are going to 'roo' this dosmal performance...never mind that it was the FIRST game of the season....it was another 'Arry disaster story....but we never seem to learn? COYS!

That's gold.

There was stat before the match that said De Gea was beaten by more goals from outside the box than any other keeper in La Liga last season, that had something to do with it.

Don't let that stop you.

Carry on.

 

[Bobbins]

for me the first 60mins was encoraging...

Then! and it seems to revolve around that moment with Lennon and VDV, we as suddenly as someone flicking on a light switch, turned to shit. Short passing turned ot miss-hit clearance after clearance. Summed up by Ekottos poor side foot that lead to the cross for thier first goal.

VDV needs to climb out his arse. A very good player but nowhere near as good as he currently thinks he is.

That weird moment with lennon clear in the area, was one of the worse things i've seen a professional footballer do (or not do). I'm a lennon fan on the whole but that was mind-blowingly shit.

Shocking management by HR too, the huddlestone sub was 12 mins too late and for the wrong player. I was gutted last night. I am more optomistic today but last night i was on the floor.

Yeah I agree with all of that.

Some funny bits to that post as well :lol:

 

[tRiKS]

read some of the ratings. there were no 8's on the pitch for Spurs by the end. Kaboul, Dawson and BAE were 8's after 60mins but all thier excellent work was undone by individual errors and team discipline.

Bale was the most threatening but couldn't stop Smalling coming forward in the second half and i blame tactics and teammates in ability to retain possession as much as i do him as an individual.

all those marking VDV our best player on the night are surely adding +2 pts for the Van bit in his name. For me, relative to his ability, was our worst performer.

 

[jurgenthegreat]

Friedel - 8 great debut
Walker - 5 definitely has potential but looked out of his depth last night
Dawson - 6 solid for most of the game, wish he would stop trying 80 yard passes
Kaboul - 8 at fault for the first goal but was a wall for the rest of the game, outstanding
BAE - 7 solid
Lennon - 3 shcking, dissapeared for most of the game, when he chose to get involved he made shocking decisions, plus we got to see his speed at one point and its annoying we dont see it more often
Livermore - 6 did well
Kranjcar - 6 first half was inventive if sloppy
Bale - 5 not involved enough
VdV - 7 gave 1005 as usual, only payer taht looked he might score
Defoe - 6 did well with what he could

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Friedel - 8 great debut
Walker - 5 definitely has potential but looked out of his depth last night
Dawson - 6 solid for most of the game, wish he would stop trying 80 yard passes
Kaboul - 8 at fault for the first goal but was a wall for the rest of the game, outstanding
BAE - 7 solid
Lennon - 3 shcking, dissapeared for most of the game, when he chose to get involved he made shocking decisions, plus we got to see his speed at one point and its annoying we dont see it more often
Livermore - 6 did well
Kranjcar - 6 first half was inventive if sloppy
Bale - 5 not involved enough
VdV - 7 gave 1005 as usual, only payer taht looked he might score
Defoe - 6 did well with what he could

What about when he lost the plot and did his best to headbutt someone?

 

[jamesc0le]

we shouldnt have changed the middle 2 , redknapp should have made the team more compact switching to a

-----------rafa------------
--defoe----------lennon----
--kranjcar--jake--hudd-----
bale-kaboul-dawson-corluka

a goal down was a great opportunity to get a bit strict and tell rafa to go as lone front man with defoe and lennon supporting.

it's not rocket science..

 

[whatsappnin]

I do take our first half performance as a positive .

Pity we were unable to capitalise on it .

This was a missed opportunity for the team to show Luka that they could beat the best club side in England without him .


A surplus of skill is not enough to get you in the Man Utd side . They have to demonstrate that extra desire and never say die mentality . Those sort of players command a price premium .

Bullshit! even with the best side in europe you would be happy to get a win at Old Trafford. There was never a chance of a win, never! The midfield tired in the last 35 mins, they walked in with experience and home advantage. Don't to be to harsh. Thre were some very good parts and some not so good parts. I'm just sorry that we had to play them in our first game of the season at Old Trafford as it lets all the negative fuckers come steaming out for yet another season!

Toughest game of the season, out of the way. No chance of them ruining the great run we are about to now go on! :wink:

COYS

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Friedel 8 - I was eating humble pie at half time

Walker 4 - Proved exactly what I thought he's not yet a top 6 team right back gets turned to easy and pulls shirts too often loan him out too qpr or somebody for another year and we should bring a class rb in!

Dawson 5 - some good some bad some awful always gets drawn to the ball swell! Wouldn't mind replacing him!

Kaboul 7 - great at times but always has a rush of blood moment in him!

Ekotto 7 - Solid

Lennon 3 - shocking needs to be dropped ain't looked threating for over a season doesn't take his man on anymore and why did he not give it too rafa

Livermore 6 - steady was also doing the job of 2 men while niko pounced about!

Kranjcar 4 - Not a prem Centre Mid doesn't understand the word track back!

Bale 5 - got kicked once then did not want to know

VDV 5 - thought he had a shocker!

Defoe 5 - for effort should have been more selfish at times but showed us all what we need a new striker!


Huddlestone 0 - Shocking where the fuck was he for the second and wtf was he doing walking over too Nani too close him down for the 3rd I think! Would rather have stuck Gomes on!

Pav 0 - didn't touch the ball

Corluka 6 - nullified young well but gave too many corners away

 

[Legend10]

Friedel 8 - I was eating humble pie at half time

Walker 4 - Proved exactly what I thought he's not yet a top 6 team right back gets turned to easy and pulls shirts too often loan him out too qpr or somebody for another year and we should bring a class rb in!

Dawson 5 - some good some bad some awful always gets drawn to the ball swell! Wouldn't mind replacing him!

Kaboul 7 - great at times but always has a rush of blood moment in him!

Ekotto 7 - Solid

Lennon 3 - shocking needs to be dropped ain't looked threating for over a season doesn't take his man on anymore and why did he not give it too rafa

Livermore 6 - steady was also doing the job of 2 men while niko pounced about!

Kranjcar 4 - Not a prem Centre Mid doesn't understand the word track back!

Bale 5 - got kicked once then did not want to know

VDV 5 - thought he had a shocker!

Defoe 5 - for effort should have been more selfish at times but showed us all what we need a new striker!


Huddlestone 0 - Shocking where the fuck was he for the second and wtf was he doing walking over too Nani too close him down for the 3rd I think! Would rather have stuck Gomes on!

Pav 0 - didn't touch the ball

Corluka 6 - nullified young well but gave too many corners away

And what did you want him to do, block the cross by controlling it, nutmeg Young and go on a mazy perhaps?

 

[agrdavidsfan]

And what did you want him to do, block the cross by controlling it, nutmeg Young and go on a mazy perhaps?

No mate just thought sometimes he had the option to boot it for a throwing not moaning about the times he's block the crosses after getting back at young!

 

[Legend10]

I thought Charlie was very good in the eye of the second half storm.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

I thought Charlie was very good in the eye of the second half storm.

Also thought he was good well alot better than walker anyways just had that little niggle that sometimes it could have gone for a throwing but instead it was going for corners that in turn added too the pressure!

 

[morriss]

Brad 8
Walker 6
Dawson 6
Kaboul 7
BAE 6

Lennon 5
Livermore 6 (Hudd 5)
Niko 5 (Pav 5)
Bale 6

Defoe 3
VDV 7

 

[morriss]

To clarify: I thought Defoe was absolutely awful. He has no brain, can't pass, fogotten where the goal is, doesn't understand link-up play. Utter rubbish. Get rid. Get rid now.

The only thing Lennon did wrong was not pass to VDV. Otherwise he was just as (in)effectual as Bale and Niko, imo.

 

[eddiebailey]

The decision to play Livermore and Kranjcar as the central midfield pairing was baffling.

Dictated to a large extent by circumstances - no Modric, Palacios, Sandro, Pienaar or Rose (who can play there), and Huddlestone and Jenas presumably not thought up to playing 90 (or in Jenas' case 30).

Could have played Kaboul, but not his best position and it would have meant Bassong at centrehalf, filling no-one with confidence.

Only other alternative was Corluka. Corluka-Livermore might have worked, less sure about Corluka-Krancjar; either way a big gamble. At least Livermore and Krancjar had played a game together.

Big problem for us this season; Modric does not want to play for us, and Palacios, Jenas and Huddlestone are treatment room fodder whom we can't shift off the payroll. So everything hangs on Sandro. Desperately need Diarra or Parker, preferably both. Not selling O'Hara would have been a good idea.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Joke ratings by the two whoe have actually bothered so far, Jesus :lol:

That's much more like it. Slightly generous for Livermore and Kaboul.

All this "Defoe 3" "Kaboul 4" nonsense is such bullshit.

Bobbins, this isn't a trick question as I haven't seen the game, but how did Evan's performance compare to Dawson's ?

 

[Mr Pink]

I thought Charlie was very good in the eye of the second half storm.

He was excellent, dealt with Young brillantly.

 

[double0]

Supporting Tottenham, I praise you all.

The first 60 + minutes I was impressed by how we were controlling possession at Old Trafford but at the back of my mind sort of knew what the outcome would be.

Now, I've listened to many a reason why we collapsed. I have come to the conclusion that in Redknapp and his stubbornness to make tactical adjustments during a game were doomed to the wilderness of carrot dangling add to that our weakness in important positions within our starting 11 against the top teams in the premiership this will always happen unless addressed.


Brad-7 Some outstanding saves and we can't blame him for any of the goals.

Walker-6 At times got caught out of position against a very strong left sided ManU attack..but I'm still encouraged by some of his positional play I saw, I sincerely believe Walker has intelligence to iron out his game.

Kaboul-8 IMO was clearly our best defender made some impressive tackles and interceptions.

Dawson-6 I don't know what it is with Daws, wholehearted defender puts his body on the line but continues to lack that last 10% to really be recognised as a top defender. IMO both the first and last goals, looking at his positioning just annoyed me really...ManU 2nd, Welbeck back heel, even them allowed himself to be easily dummied...in fairness it was probably more, great skill.

Ekotto-6 As is becoming apparent lately Bale has to start pulling his weight defensively, he left Assou_Ekotto exposed at times. Still thought he did well apart from that clearance...and has tampered those long balls Assou_Ekotto's really excellent with the ball at his feet.

Lennon-7 As a winger he caused Evra all sorts of problems going forward. I personally thought he wasn't given enough of the ball from our midfield...the one moment everyone will talk about was his selection when he beat Evra for dead to the bar line then made the wrong decision not to square it to VdV and in these game you need to be more deadly....still IMO happy with his performance to attack and defend.

Livermore-6 Did OK for the time on the pitch very impressed with his short passing game has to improve on his speed of thought but didn't look out of place. Hope he won't be banished to the loan system.

Kranjcar-6 On the ball great, off it a liability.

Bale-6 Shocking now he just gallops with the ball in tow two/three defender sherparding him, another problem is no one can keep pace with him. Has to get more involved with short interchanged passing and help out Assou-Ekotto more.

Van De Vaart-7 Ran his heart out but at times took on way to much responsibility-a funny thing to say...he so desperately wanted to be the match winner at times a bit greedy.

Defoe-7 A good general performance from Defoe I thought. His involvement in build up and hold up play was much better but in these games he hasn't the pace size efficiency intelligence nor finesse to win such games ..IE against the Manu Chelski Liverpool.

Subs:

Huddlestone 5 fitness needs to improve and will do.
Pavluychenko -5 hmmmm.

Redknapp_ 5 tactics against ManU was proved wrong.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Just got round to watching this game.

I thought the first 60 minutes we played well. I think the most disappointing players on the night were Bale, but particularly Lennon. In terms of quality and effort we matched them for 60 minutes no problem, but the difference was their decision making was so much better in the final third with the few chances they had, compared to ours with the few chances we had. Every other aspect was a very reasonable match up, not surprising when you consider that their side consisted of players like Young, Wellbeck, Cleverly, Smalling, Jones, Anderson, Evans etc. All decent/good players but all not really world beaters. I think that was a very ordinary ManU side in many departments and if we'd have been at full strength I'd be fucking disappointed that we didn't win that game.

I think Redknapp had us passing and working well, credit where it's due. But his tactics were counter productive. Playing two out and out wingers with VDV and Defoe is daft, not the first time he's made the mistake either. And his substitutions were a bit strange as well. Taking VDV - our best finisher and the man who looked most likely - out of the firing line, leaving Defoe on, taking Kranjcar off were all questionable.

Dawson and Kaboul I though both had decent games, and I wouldn't blame either of them too much for the first two goals, but the third was poor by Dawson. It was a set piece and for some reason he looked at Rooney a few tomes but at no stage decided he should be closer to him. If it was in open play and there was clever movement going on it would be different, but this started with a dead ball and developed slowly and the whole time he was watching Rooney but never made the mental connection that maybe he should be closer to him.

Kranjcar poses a conundrum. You wouldn't really have in in CM and I don't think he or Huddelstone are great defensively but at least he thinks and moves quicker than Hudd, actually gets forward and when he does has some idea what to do, and the two games he's played there he's helped us zip the ball around and play some really nice stuff. His passing is actually every bit as good as Hudd's, and in some ways better, as he can think, move and zip a pass short but he can also pass long just as well as Hudd. I never thought I would think this, but if someone like Sandro or Palaicos were available and I had a choice of who to play next to them out of Kranjcar and Hudd, I think I'd go Kranjcar most days - certainly to start with.

VDV tried, but surrounded by brainless dimwits like Lennon and Defoe really took it's toll.

Bale's reluctance to work defensively is really fucking me off.

Ratings:

Freidel 8 - Good performance

Walker 5 - Looked out of his depth frankly. Worried that someone has decided he's better than Hutton. Fuck, Corluka runs in slow mo, but I'd rather he played to be honest.

Dawson 7.5 - decent game I thought, spoiled by a typical lack of intelligence on the third goal.

Kaboul 7.5 - Very decent game, nipped in a couple of really good challenges. He's more to blame than Dawson for the first, but it was more a great cross and pin point movement in a rolling play.

Ekotto 7.5 - good game

Lennon 4 - stupid little twit. at 0-0 had a great chance to cut back to VDV but for some inexplicable reason decided to wack the ball waist high at Evans. Apart from that he was poor offensively all game.

Livermore 7 - Decent enough. Never really looked out of his depth but couldn't really offer anything above competent.

Kranjcar 7.25 - Good movement and interplay, is conducive to pass and move football. Still not quite got enough of the graft side of his game to be playing CM on a 442.

Bale 6 - Some bright moments, but lots more flattering to deceive, than actually delivering.

VDV 7.5 - Usual VDV, busy, worked to make the odd thing happen, needs to be playing with players who haven't had lobotomies. His reaction to Lennon said it all.

Defoe 6.5 - Tried hard, but hampered by his limitations. Those limitations being a pea sized brain and lightweight frame.

Redknapp 7 - You can never be sure with Redknapp because as he said himself before this game, sometimes changes are forced on him and these changes bring about, by fortuitous serendipity, a better style of play (MIlan away, Hearts away eg), but if the first couple of games are anything to go by it appears we are passing and pressing a little better than we finished last year. But I definitely reserve judgement on that until we see a couple more games and whether when everyone is fit and available we continue to zip the ball around or revert back to plodders like Huddlestone slowing everything down.

 

[brett.spurs]

Accurate assessment BC, nothing there I'd disagree with.