ratings vs liverpool

[gilzeantheking]

This is truly hilarious.

Are you a WUM Toela?

And wearing his red tinted spectacles

 

[Mr Pink]

I was going to write a big response to all your posts but then I realised it wouldn't make any difference due to partisanship

I haven't come across one pundit or Football Journalist on TV, Radi or the web thats a neutral that has said Spurs were clearly the better team and deserved all 3 points and Liverpool deserved jack shit.

The reason for this is because to anyone whose willing to look at the game objectively will say the both teams deserved something, which I have already conceded. You deserved a point and so did we but we won a penalty and got 3.

The fact still remains, as BC has been saying because he actually cam look beyond blind tribalism, that Spurs had 30 mins near enough after Liverpool equalised to go and get a winner, or hold steady for the draw and keep Liverpool away from the Spurs goal.

None of that happened. I was shocked at how limp Spurs were, especially Bale, in the last half hour when there was still points to fight for. When I was told we equalised I said, and I fully believed, that Spurs would get at least 1 more. So when I got to watch the game finally I was seriously surprised by how in control we were in the last 25 mins.

And one last time lol Spurs were the better side for two thirds of the game, had more shots (on target), more possession, and most importantly looked far more dangerous than Liverpool for that sustained period after the break - which lasted at least 20 mins. Liverpool never came close to offering that scale of pressure at any stage of the match.

All this shocked crap about how limp we looked, stop embarrassing yourself - it was Liverpool who looked blown away when they couldn't live with us ripping through them time after time and you know it.

Anyway this has gone on long enough, you aren't going to change the opinion of the majority of Spurs fans on here with your delusional crap.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Guys, Toela has just dropped a bollock by saying he didn't watch the game live.

If we stop feeding the troll...we know what he'll do.

 

[Mr Pink]

Guys, Toela has just dropped a bollock by saying he didn't watch the game live.

If we stop feeding the troll...we know what he'll do.

Steal a car?!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Let's not get worked up guys, I'm feeling a bit weird about BC though getting so 'matey' with Toela, mugged himself off a bit unfortunately.

 

[Mr Pink]

Let's not get worked up guys, I'm feeling a bit weird about BC though getting so 'matey' with Toela, mugged himself off a bit unfortunately.

Its my fault, partly, all this - should of just avoided getting into conversation with him. He's clearly got a problem though, this is a Spurs board - what does he expect, and furthermore I think most of us aren't afraid to call it how we see it - if the performance has been poor etc we'll say it regardless of the opposition. He's been around here a while and I think he knows that most of us are reasonable and balanced posters.

Its all this cheap digging that gets on my tits, the irony here because he's being passionate, and IMO irrational, about the game as a whole - but he's doing it on a Spurs board and labelling us all irrational driven by a hatred for Liverpool.

 

[mpickard2087]

No body said anything about being "good". I'm not a big fan tbh. But whatever you think of Allen, us going froma 2 man midfield to a 3 man midfield helped us to hold the 2-2 score line after the mistake and then the lead after the pen.

I don't think BR deserves any praise for this as it is such an obvious thing. I think he deserves constructive criticism for going to attacking and gung-ho with Suarez behind Sturridge and by doing this leaving the midfield of Gerrard and Lucas constantly outnumbered against the best counter-attacking team in the league. I think he's realised this now and learned from it.

In my OPINION, if we had left it how it was before Allen, or any other centre-mid, came on we would of continued to have our midfield walked through and passed through, thus surrendering chances on goal for Spurs, and I think we wouldn't of won, maybe not even draw.

If people can't see that us going from a 2 man CM, to a 3 man CM heped us from being walked through time after time, and stopping us getting on the ball as much as we would of liked, then I don't know what to say because I think that point is pretty obvious to anyone who wants to see it.

If we made no subs, we wouldn't of won the game and maybe not even got a point. Its that simple in my opinion.

So basically he helped clog up the middle a bit. Well that was fine, we were winning at that point, didn't need to chase. Keep the ball, control the game. We were doing that, then the ball went out to Walker on the right touchline...

You haven't offered anything by way of what the change did in the attacking sense. Did your team gain more confidence after the equaliser? Yes. Did your fans get up and roar them on? Yes. Did our heads go down a bit? Yes. I don't see that change effecting anything though in the scheme of things, it was in all truth a shift in the 'psychological aspect' (best way I can describe it).

Basically, we gift wrapped you the three points on a plate and it was a flukey win.

/I'm out

 

[mpickard2087]

Let's not get worked up guys, I'm feeling a bit weird about BC though getting so 'matey' with Toela, mugged himself off a bit unfortunately.

Awww. SB is jealous!

 

[StartingPrice]

I was going to write a big response to all your posts but then I realised it wouldn't make any difference due to partisanship

I haven't come across one pundit or Football Journalist on TV, Radi or the web thats a neutral that has said Spurs were clearly the better team and deserved all 3 points and Liverpool deserved jack shit.

The reason for this is because to anyone whose willing to look at the game objectively will say the both teams deserved something, which I have already conceded. You deserved a point and so did we but we won a penalty and got 3.

The fact still remains, as BC has been saying because he actually cam look beyond blind tribalism, that Spurs had 30 mins near enough after Liverpool equalised to go and get a winner, or hold steady for the draw and keep Liverpool away from the Spurs goal.

None of that happened. I was shocked at how limp Spurs were, especially Bale, in the last half hour when there was still points to fight for. When I was told we equalised I said, and I fully believed, that Spurs would get at least 1 more. So when I got to watch the game finally I was seriously surprised by how in control we were in the last 25 mins.

I think you are getting hooked on this notion of deserve TBH - I don't think we deserved to win, you don't deserve to win if you make two total clusterfecks like we did. What is being said, and this is subtly different, is that at 2 -1 we were clearly the better team, should have put the game to bed and won at a canter and had opportunities to do so.

Also, and I have already explained this once, it is one thing to say that bringing Joe Allen on changed the dynamic of the game - he did, he made the midfield more of a competition and ended are total and easy domination in that area of the pitch. What is being said is that, despite Joe Allen coming on and altering the midfield dynamic, you didn't really create very much and didn't really look like creating very much until Walker's totally unforced error. So, without an unforced error, a likely outcome could have been an grinding midfield stalemate, which, as seen as we were 2 -1 ahead, would have seen us over the finish line.

To my mind, no-one has denied that we looked shell-shocked after your equaliser - in our defence, that may have been partially do do with our Thursday evening CL game. I do feel, however, that you are over-egging it somewhat, to claim that you were so in control. I would say, rather, that you looked pretty nervy and not very incisive, but also like you knew you had just won the lottery and were determined to push that advance somehow.

What I, personally, believe Liverpool fans are delusional about, is exactly where you are as a club ATM, and exactly where this victory puts you as a club at the moment. Anyone would think you had won the league, and I have read comments about pushing for our rightful CL spot now, and Brendan will have us competing for the league next season. The truth is, will all reference to deserve excluded, you got lucky, at home, against a clearly better side, when you didn't look, firstly, like losing by at least two goals and got off the hook on that one thanks largely to certain of our players being greedy and selfish and the width of a post, and, secondly, only got back into the game at all (at a time when you just really didn't look like scoring) thanks to a horrific unforced error. That doesn't make you anything other than what I told you you were last Summer (I don't know, maybe you have put me on ignore for politely telling you the truth ). That and the petty need to somehow equate Bale going over a bit theatrically under the pressure of horrific injuries and wild, lunging tackles (or the threat of the same), on the one hand, with the blatant diving at no great pace, usually without any contact, by Luis Suarez, along with his repeated stamping.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Sorry matey.

The last 30 mins Spurs were linp. They looked shocked and beaten and their heads had dropped. There was nothing at all in the last 30 mins after the goal that looked like Spurs were going to get back into this, but given what happened I could understand why they'd be shellshocked as they felt they'd stupidly threw the game away.

Toela, I think the Allen sub made a difference and I do think our domination of the ball diminished in the last 25 minutes of that game, and the combination of Liverpool now matching up in central midfield, our fatigue and post Walker stress disorder did make render us pretty impotent for that last phase. But to say Liverpool were the only one's that looked like winning the game in that final period is bogus. They looked no more like winning it than we did. The game was largely played in the middle of the pitch in the last 25 minutes, and although Liverpool were now retaining the ball better as a ratio against Spurs, the facts actually show that both teams passing success diminished in that last period, neither team managing much of any coherence.

From what I have read, I can't tell whether you actually saw the game. Did you ? Genuine question.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Toela, I think the Allen sub made a difference and I do think our domination of the ball diminished in the last 25 minutes of that game, and the combination of Liverpool now matching up in central midfield, our fatigue and post Walker stress disorder did make render us pretty impotent for that last phase. But to say Liverpool were the only one's that looked like winning the game in that final period is bogus. They looked no more like winning it than we did. The game was largely played in the middle of the pitch in the last 25 minutes, and although Liverpool were now retaining the ball better as a ratio against Spurs, the facts actually show that both teams passing success diminished in that last period, neither team managing much of any coherence.

From what I have read, I can't tell whether you actually saw the game. Did you ? Genuine question.

No, he slipped up by saying he was told that they had equalised, and then watched the game back afterwards. Naturally without emotion and already knowing the result it turns into a bit of a different game.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Awww. SB is jealous!

More the caring father approach...I don't want him getting in with the wrong crowd.

 

[Shanks]

Thanks for the reply mate.

Excellent post. I couldn't agree more mate about the points you raise about the delusion and tribalism. Its starting to ruin the game a little imo in some ways.

For example with the campaign thats trying to get off the ground to get clubs to lower tickets prices so as younger fans can afford to go again but some supporters won't get on board and support it because they feel, because their club is the most expensive, they would be being disloyal to their club and they have this innate instinct to attack other supporters who, by campaigning for lower ticket prices, they feel are having a go at their club (I mean Arsenal).

Maybe, like me, you are just getting older now and can't be bothered with the hate and arguing all the time. I just like learning new things about other clubs. I have such a better understanding of Spurs as a club, and their fanbase, from coming on here and thats useful when Liverppol supporters I converse with talk about Spurs I know I'm informed (in the right).

Yeah I am a bit older these days, but I tend to act the same in real life as I do on the internet - this is something that isn't the norm on the internet.

I have many friends, some close, some not as close as I'd like, and we all support different teams - Hammers, QPR, Chelsea, Arsenal, Fulham, City, Liverpool, Utd, hell I e ven live close to a couple of sunderland fans (I live in Hampshire!), we are all often watching the same games and whilst we might have a little laugh, batner very rarely goes above abuse.

personally, I find that chelsea fans are typically the more 'nasty' of fans and they seem to dislike spurs quite a lot, but we are all mates. We disagree on who is the best, but then I'll watch Spurs a lot closer than a friend who support Chelsea, so my opinions will always differ.

I've thought about signing up to other fans forums, but I wouldn't want to get tarred with a brush of being there to antagonise peeps.