Rank our players in order of importance

[Lo Amo Speroni]

I refuse point blank to do this but I will say that our full backs are far more important to us than some on here think.

Thems my onions.

 

[dontsalebale]

Anyone who hasn't got Dembele in their top 3 needs to visit a well known optician urgently.

 

[Ionman34]

1 Levy
2 Poch
3 The team.

Easy Tiger, there will be multiple PC screens painted Brown as the Gingers collectively spit their tea/coffee out in astonished disbelief.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I refuse point blank to do this but I will say that our full backs are far more important to us than some on here think.

Thems my onions.

The position of FB is very important. Our players who fill those positions are not as important as choices for other positions.
IMO.

 

[Ionman34]

1) up to 4-5 games ago Kane's net contribution was valued at -1 or 2pts for every game played. What that says was if we had not played Kane we'd have been 2 points better off, his own goal took a win to a draw or draw to a loss and none of his goals were point defining goals, ie: goals that brought us points on their own.

2) For a long period in the beginning of the season Kane was carried by the team, scoring no goals at all. Yes he helped draw space etc... but another player could've done that.

3) In football, according to The Numbers Game: Why Everything You Know About Football is Wrong, preventing a goal is worth marginally more than scoring a goal. Sounds nuts but read the book for a better understanding.

4) Human psyche remembers individual momentous occasions more clearly and longer than repetitive mundane ones; so we remember goals more and easier because 1) there are fewer of them, 2) we celebrate every goal not every tackle or save.

5) Spurs have historically had a poor defence and been better at attacks, hence recent GDs of 5, 4, 20, 25, 9, 26, 0, 5, 3.

So by knowing the above the players most valuable to to us and earning us the most points are the GK, CBs, WBs, & CDM. You can throw in names and maybe Lamela's pressing from the front but in points gained these positions have earnt us more points than Kane.

Interesting post Michael, but whilst Kane's goals might not be points contributors, have the intangibles been considered such as the opening goal being the icebreaker that opens up a game, the equalising goal that changes the momentum of the game?
Would another player open the game up inthe same way Kane does with movement as intelligent as his? Would his work rate be comparable to Kane? We've all, at some point, waxed lyrical about the graft and intelligence of Kane off the ball, this is an intangible that can inspire a team to lift its game.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you insofar as the more important players are concerned. You only have to look at the performance of Leicester's back 4 and Kante. In the games where Vardy wasn't performing, they were. 6 out of 7 games won 1-0 shows that the defence were far more influential to the win than the strikers, particularly as you even had defenders weighing in with goals.

But I feel you undervalue the effect that Kane has on this team with the intangibles. His value far exceeds his goal contribution IMO.

 

[ClintEastwould]

Harry
Alderwiereld
Eriksen
Hugo
Lamela
Dembele
Dier
Alli
Vertonghen
Rose
Walker

 

[RicOfPeace]

1. Kane
2. Dembélé
3. Alderweireld
4. Dier
5. Eriksen
6. Alli
7. Lamela
8. Vertonghen
9. Rose
10. Lloris
11. Walker

 

[michaelden]

Interesting post Michael, but whilst Kane's goals might not be points contributors, have the intangibles been considered such as the opening goal being the icebreaker that opens up a game, the equalising goal that changes the momentum of the game?
Would another player open the game up inthe same way Kane does with movement as intelligent as his? Would his work rate be comparable to Kane? We've all, at some point, waxed lyrical about the graft and intelligence of Kane off the ball, this is an intangible that can inspire a team to lift its game.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you insofar as the more important players are concerned. You only have to look at the performance of Leicester's back 4 and Kante. In the games where Vardy wasn't performing, they were. 6 out of 7 games won 1-0 shows that the defence were far more influential to the win than the strikers, particularly as you even had defenders weighing in with goals.

But I feel you undervalue the effect that Kane has on this team with the intangibles. His value far exceeds his goal contribution IMO.

I agree but I'd still rank our defensive players as "more important" than Kane or any front player, but Kane is very important, just not the most important; hence why I ranked him around 5th or so

 

[Mustard]

I refuse point blank to do this but I will say that our full backs are far more important to us than some on here think.

Thems my onions.

I agree.

Except I would say Toby is number 1

But goals win games so Harry is our number 1.

You do the math. I can't. Cos our keeper is our best player.

AGGGGGRRRRRRR!

Our full backs are the best by stats. We have the best dm and young player in the league...


ARRRGGGGHHHH,

It's a great conundrum. I just love our side.

Levy out.

 

[adamthfc]

I agree but I'd still rank our defensive players as "more important" than Kane or any front player, but Kane is very important, just not the most important; hence why I ranked him around 5th or so

This team defends from the front though. Kane sets the standard with his work rate from the front.

The stat thing you mentioned is nonsense too because Kane doesn't get points for Southampton away for example as we scored a 2nd goal but up until Kane scored his beauty Southampton were the better team. His goal changed the game

 

[Ionman34]

I agree but I'd still rank our defensive players as "more important" than Kane or any front player, but Kane is very important, just not the most important; hence why I ranked him around 5th or so

As stated earlier here, it's pretty subjective and opinions will differ. I agree that the defensive contribution is probably the more important as it breeds confidence, if you feel secure at the back you are more likely to be creative going forward.

I'd have Kane around 3rd in this team, with Lloris and Alderweireld ahead of him.

 

[Mustard]

This team defends from the front though. Kane sets the standard with his work rate from the front.

The stat thing you mentioned is nonsense too because Kane doesn't get points for Southampton away for example as we scored a 2nd goal but up until Kane scored his beauty Southampton were the better team. His goal changed the game

But Toby had the better game.

Hugo was ridiculous.

I'm of a mind to declare this thread both stupid and impossible.

No disrespect to the op.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

But Toby had the better game.

Hugo was ridiculous.

I'm of a mind to declare this thread both stupid and impossible.

No disrespect to the op.

You don't think the thread cuts the mustard?

 

[adamthfc]

But Toby had the better game.

Hugo was ridiculous.

I'm of a mind to declare this thread both stupid and impossible.

No disrespect to the op.

Yes agreed just don't get the under rating of Kanes importance to this team

 

[Mustard]

You don't think the thread cuts the mustard?

Not for me Seconds.

Every player in this season has a Lasting place in our folklore.

They are all heroes.

 

[Mustard]

Yes agreed just don't get the under rating of Kanes importance to this team

Kane is world class.

He could win us The Euros. A final place in the CL. He could, could be the one that wins us the World Cup.

Don't worry about this God of football that has washed upon our shores. Please don't waste time worrying upon H.

He is Spurs. He gets it.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Not for me Seconds.

Every player in this season has a Lasting place in our folklore.

They are all heroes.

Well, I think drawing a list over players should be a piece of cake, even if we have to take the result with a grain of salt.
Who is the best of our players surely is a hot potato these days anyway. In reality, a favourite list is the best thing since sliced bread, so I for one would give a penny for your thoughts on that subject. But I don't want you to bite off more than you can chew or burn the midnight oil or anything. God knows curiosity killed the cat, anyway. But yeah, just jump on the bandwagon, I say. To make a long story short, if you are on the ball you can kill two birds with one stone and heap more praise on your boy Alderweireld. So ball is in your court.

 

[Mr Pink]

Not sure on the precise order but the top three, without question IMO, are Kane, Dembele and Alderweireld.

 

[NEVILLEB]

1. Kane
2. Toby
3. Lloris
4. Alli
5. Dembele
6. Eriksen
7. Dier
8. Verts
9. Lamela
10. Walker
11. Rose

 

[Locotoro]

list them in order of impotence? hmm this is a tough one...








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