Ramos and Poyet and Levy

[lukespurs7]

Just think Ramos and Poyet have been awsome since coming in and have to say sorry to Mr Levy, I was a massive Jol fan but knew of Ramos pedegriee but still disapointed to have got rid of Jol.

They're not long in their reign but the turnaround is clear for all to see. We look very organized, play some nice fast flowing football and everyone looks fitter. The defence is slowly but surely improving and things are really looking up.

With Ramos not speaking english at all I thought it'd take a fair while for him to start really having an affect i.e a year or more and whilst i know his work has only just started, it is very clear to see what a big improvement we've made from when Jol was in charge and Ramos and Poyet have only been here about 3 months-incredible.

So...great decesion Levy, all that money and bad publicity seems to be well worth it.

I hate to dream with spurs as the dreams usually get close but then turn to nightmares, but if we can bring in some defenders may it be Woodgate,Gilberto and a GK(probs in summer) and start keeping clean sheets regularly aswell as keep up our scintilating attacking play with a fantastic 5 IMO(Berbatov,Keane,Jenas,Lennon,Malbranque) we could well in the next 2 seasons see a top4 finish and mabye some silverware and the future looks very bright! Who knows we may even get that silverware this season vs Chelsea.

views on what Ramos and Poyet have brought so far, what the future may hold and why we should all apologise to Levy.

COYS!

 

[yid4eva]

I agree

 

[llamafarmer]

Yep, credit to Daniel Levy, he made an unpopular decision and I think it's going to prove to be a very good one.

Getting Gus in was a masterstroke.

 

[spurs4europe]

there is no question that the two (JR & GP) have done well since taking over the reins, but it's going to take a bit longer before i congratulate or thank Levy for the change.

he really used up a lot of goodwill with many supporters and this season, although we may still salvage something from it, will still have been a step down or a sideways step at best compared to the previous two seasons of huge progression and building.

like you i do feel that we have something great here at spurs but levy is going to have to continue to show a lot more before i trust him again, and that can be started off by making the necessary investments into our team, unlike during the summer.

i'm sure he will now, but all i'm saying is that for me it's a little too soon to be all apologising to levy, after all he never apologised to us for wrecking our season in the first place

 

[nidge]

So...great decesion Levy, all that money and bad publicity seems to be well worth it.

COYS!

Yep, credit to Daniel Levy, he made an unpopular decision and I think it's going to prove to be a very good one.

Getting Gus in was a masterstroke.

No a great decision would have been getting Ramos in the summer when he could have had a chance to have a pre-season with the squad and the chance to get a few of 'his' (whatever that means) players in. If rumours are to be believed Levy and Co had doubts about Jol's long term future back at the end of last season so why take so long to eventually make the right decision?

Instead Levy bottled the big decision in the summer and then proceeded to um and ah about sacking Jol for about 3 months while we went into free fall.

Undoubtly Levy has done some great things at the club since ENIC's arrival but, he continually in my opinion fucks up when it comes to sacking managers at the times when it would be best for the club.

Still he got there in the end and I guess we have to be thankful for that. Also whoevers decision it was to bring in Gus deserves some serious credit.

 

[SpurSince57]

No, we shouldn't apologise to Levy. On the financial side, sure, no complaints, it's hard to criticise the guy, he's taken over from where Sugarlump left off; in that respect, we're probably the best-run club in the EPL.

When it comes to hiring and firing managers, though, his record has been poor. As Nidge says, and as I've always said, if Jol wasn't good enough in August, he wasn't good enough at the end of last season. Sacking him then would have provoked a colossal uproar, even from those fickle ****s who have jumped on the anti-Jol bandwagon since, but if we were now sitting in the top six no-one would be complaining; we'd all be applauding Levy's vision and courage in taking a hugely unpopular decision in the club's interest. Instead he's managed (at least for those who can see through the spin) to come across as a pusillanimous twat. And of course we've had the dissimulation and outright lies, and anti-Jol briefing through the press and favoured ITKs.

So, far from apologising, I think we're fully justified in regarding him as a bit of a ****.

 

[llamafarmer]

Fair play lads, I take your points about timing and the anti-Jol propoganda stuff.

Levy out!

 

[Michey]

So, far from apologising, I think we're fully justified in regarding him as a bit of a ****.

Had bad night??

Everyone that doesn't seem to have your opinions are suddenly ****'s :think:

What make's you the oracle?

 

[Bulletspur]

No, we shouldn't apologise to Levy. On the financial side, sure, no complaints, it's hard to criticise the guy, he's taken over from where Sugarlump left off; in that respect, we're probably the best-run club in the EPL.

When it comes to hiring and firing managers, though, his record has been poor. As Nidge says, and as I've always said, if Jol wasn't good enough in August, he wasn't good enough at the end of last season. Sacking him then would have provoked a colossal uproar, even from those fickle ****s who have jumped on the anti-Jol bandwagon since, but if we were now sitting in the top six no-one would be complaining; we'd all be applauding Levy's vision and courage in taking a hugely unpopular decision in the club's interest. Instead he's managed (at least for those who can see through the spin) to come across as a pusillanimous twat. And of course we've had the dissimulation and outright lies, and anti-Jol briefing through the press and favoured ITKs.

So, far from apologising, I think we're fully justified in regarding him as a bit of a ****.

I like Levy and still think he is the best CM Spurs has had for a long time and would like to see him remain, but.............I have to agree with you here, he should have got rid of Jol at the end of last season if he didnt think him good enough. He made the decision to persevere with him so he should have, or if things got that bad, be accountable and open, dont do things by stealth.

I think Chelsea and especially Kenyon are tossers, but you have to take your hats off to them the way got rid of the great one, minimal fuss and continuity.

However, I believe the events of the pre Ramos era will have made Levy a better CM as lessons should be learned, and I am sure he has as he isnt a mug.

Poyet, master stroke! :clap: Dont know who was the thinking behind his appointment, but credit to Levy if it was his.

 

[Kendall]

It was a PR disaster & brought shame on the club by the way it was handled.

However, big/unpopular decisions have to be made in business all the time and Levy will be used to them.

I never doubted Levy.

 

[themanwhofellasleep]

If Levy thought that Ramos was the best man for the job, he should have had the balls to appoint him in the summer, rather than approaching him in mid-season, undermining Jol, causing the team to suffer and having the club laughed at in the media. If Ramos had been appointed in the summer, there would have been outrage from Spurs fans, but it's likely that we would be in the top 8 at the moment. That would have been a tough decision that required balls. Instead Levy made Jol's position so untenable that even loyal Jol fans knew that he had to go. Hardly a brave decision.

I think Ramos is a better coach than Jol, but that doesn't change the fact that the way that Levy conducted himself was shameful.

 

[worcestersauce]

If Levy thought that Ramos was the best man for the job, he should have had the balls to appoint him in the summer, rather than approaching him in mid-season, undermining Jol, causing the team to suffer and having the club laughed at in the media. If Ramos had been appointed in the summer, there would have been outrage from Spurs fans, but it's likely that we would be in the top 8 at the moment. That would have been a tough decision that required balls. Instead Levy made Jol's position so untenable that even loyal Jol fans knew that he had to go. Hardly a brave decision.

I think Ramos is a better coach than Jol, but that doesn't change the fact that the way that Levy conducted himself was shameful.

And maybe he wanted to appoint Ramos in the summer but they tried to do the right thing and wait until Ramos' contract was finished.

After all did anybody think we would start the season so badly? nobody on Spurs Community as I recall.

 

[Bulletspur]

If Levy thought that Ramos was the best man for the job, he should have had the balls to appoint him in the summer, rather than approaching him in mid-season, undermining Jol, causing the team to suffer and having the club laughed at in the media. If Ramos had been appointed in the summer, there would have been outrage from Spurs fans, but it's likely that we would be in the top 8 at the moment. That would have been a tough decision that required balls. Instead Levy made Jol's position so untenable that even loyal Jol fans knew that he had to go. Hardly a brave decision.

I think Ramos is a better coach than Jol, but that doesn't change the fact that the way that Levy conducted himself was shameful.

As you can see fom my previous post I more or less share your sentiments, but the difference is I like others have moved on, lessons learned, shame on you Levy, slap on wrist Levy blah blah blah and so on.

We cannot undo what has gone on before, and Levy isnt going any where (not at this moment anyway) so it would be nice or forgiving of you if you could cut the guy some slack. I suspect that he had his own interests at heart but at the same time Spurs has benefited.

 

[Azrael]

there is no question that the two (JR & GP) have done well since taking over the reins, but it's going to take a bit longer before i congratulate or thank Levy for the change.

he really used up a lot of goodwill with many supporters and this season, although we may still salvage something from it, will still have been a step down or a sideways step at best compared to the previous two seasons of huge progression and building.

like you i do feel that we have something great here at spurs but levy is going to have to continue to show a lot more before i trust him again, and that can be started off by making the necessary investments into our team, unlike during the summer.

i'm sure he will now, but all i'm saying is that for me it's a little too soon to be all apologising to levy, after all he never apologised to us for wrecking our season in the first place

Agree completely. Levy may, or frankly may not, have picked the right man to lead his team, but, after the shambolic way he handled Jol's departure, and with his faith in Commoli, he does not get my thanks or respect. He needs at least another season before I accept that the way he behaved was a necssary evil.


But.....yes, I believe we now have a man who can take us to the next step, for which I am grateful. The only thing I fear is that Ramos is not the man to take us all the way and we may need to look to someone in Sir Alex's league to take us that final step.

 

[SpurSince57]

And maybe he wanted to appoint Ramos in the summer but they tried to do the right thing and wait until Ramos' contract was finished.

After all did anybody think we would start the season so badly? nobody on Spurs Community as I recall.

Quite possibly he did, but there was a buy-out clause in Ramos' contract which timed out at the end of June. And there was no absolute certainty that Ramos would come when he did—in which case, what was Plan B?

We do have a very good coach, and we may well see Levy's decision vindicated. But no amount of spin will eradicate the fact that the whole business was horribly bungled and not only made the club look ridiculous but was also a major contributory factor in our dismal start to the season. So who takes responsibility for that?

 

[Bulletspur]

Agree completely. Levy may, or frankly may not, have picked the right man to lead his team, but, after the shambolic way he handled Jol's departure, and with his faith in Commoli, he does not get my thanks or respect. He needs at least another season before I accept that the way he behaved was a necssary evil.


But.....yes, I believe we now have a man who can take us to the next step, for which I am grateful. The only thing I fear is that Ramos is not the man to take us all the way and we may need to look to someone in Sir Alex's league to take us that final step.

Fair point and will respect your opinion even if I dont quite agree with all aspects of it.

With regards to Ramos, do you think we could really attract someone in the Fergie mode, even if one was to become available?

My opinion is that Ramos is astute managerially and tactically etc in his own way and we were fortunate to get him. Not disrepecting our club but the facts are we are not that big (anymore).

 

[Azrael]

With regards to Ramos, do you think we could really attract someone in the Fergie mode, even if one was to become available?

No, but I believe Ramos is good enough to take us to the point where we could.